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Old 01-08-2008, 11:47 PM   #481
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Just out of curiosity, Earnie, if what you say about Hillary is true, then if you took any of the Republican candidates and dropped them into Australian politics, what exactly would they be considered?
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I would expect the Republican candidates to best fit in with One Nation and its successor parties (paranoid far right xenophobes) or Family First (far right religious loonies). Maybe one or two, along with Hillary, would slot into the Liberals (mainstream centre-right party) - Hillary into the party's mainstream and the Republicans into the ultra-conservative faction. As for Obama, I can see him in Kevin Rudd's centrist faction of the Labour Party.

With this sort of thing considered, the Republican Party just creeps me the fuck out. I think it's bad enough that a party as far right as the Liberals is one of the main Australian parties - the thought of One Nation and Family First rolled together and having shitloads of power makes me queasy.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:50 PM   #482
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With this sort of thing considered, the Republican Party just creeps me the fuck out.

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Exactly. I don't get why Hillary is being vilified just because this wunderkind has burst upon the scene. She's not satan. I think she'd be a capable leader, and, like Anitram mentioned earlier, she has a toughness that I admire. Plus, she's well aware of how the game is played, how politics can get dirty, and I think she's up for it, she won't fold.
*view from one of those dumb kid voters*

Hillary as the nominee will energize and turn out the republican base like you haven't seen before. they hate her with such passion.

Obama is not hated like that + he draws independents much better than her.

The more i see of the Clinton campaign machine the less i like of it.




but then i'm just a dumb kid.

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Old 01-08-2008, 11:56 PM   #484
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Dang. I missed the "set list party."

The power went out for a couple of hours here

You want to see a poorly run government, come to Saipan. Makes Bush seem actually competent by comparison.

At any rate, I'm disappointed Obama didn't win in New Hampshire, but as I said earlier, I think it might calm some of the more irrational exuberance and I think that's good.

I agree with those that have pointed out that Hillary will have a hard time in the general election. The level of dislike for her is unfair and unjustified perhaps, but it is absolutely real.
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Old 01-09-2008, 12:08 AM   #485
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Does anybody think Rudy Giuliani has any chance at all?
I don't think so, especially since more and more of Rudy's people are switching to McCain- exactly what I did.

I hate to jump the gun, but I think McCain winning here is a BIG step toward the nomination. Michigan, IMO, will pretty much decide the nominee. I think it's come down to Huckabee vs McCain for the nomination. Romney needs to win Michigan or else he's out. I think McCain wins Michigan. He did in 2000, and the latest polls there show no real frontrunner.
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And Obama and Edwards aren't even on the ballot there, so unlikely to be too suspenseful from the Dems' POV.

I question whether Michigan could decide the GOP race though.
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Romney needs to win Michigan or else he's out.
Yeah, silver medals will only get you so far in a presidential election.
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Precisely. I don't know where this idea that Hillary is a conservative Republican came from.
She is the most conservative candidate running on the Democratic side + her Husband moved significantly to the right after his first two years in office, her support of the Iraq war, all contribute to the idea that she is "Bush Light".
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Number of actual humans:

1. Clinton
2. Obama
3. McCain
Remember that this is a "blue state".
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I'm glad to see the Democratic nomination becoming a race again. I want to see the candidates pushed. I want to see them challenged, not just by each other but by the voters. I'm not just interested in seeing whether a candidate can win, but who would make the best President right now and there are a lot of ingredients that go into that.
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Old 01-09-2008, 04:38 AM   #491
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I'm glad to see the Democratic nomination becoming a race again.
When was it not a race? This has always been the year when it is a serious race.
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When was it not a race?
Oh...about 24 hours ago. You didn't notice all the "Obama practically has the nomination wrapped up" talk both here and in much of the media?
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It was not a race as soon as the media decided it wasn't. We have to stop letting them decide for us.
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Remember that this is a "blue state".
Like Iowa?
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I hate Hillary and Bill, and I couldn't bring myself to Gore because of the lies of the Clintons.
Huckabee is a wild card. Hillary is anything but a wild card.
Like I said, Hillary v Obama matters to me. It's not 'interchangeable' vs the Bush etc. legacy.
I still want to know why you hate Clinton so much.

To go from Obama to potentially Huckabee is, in my mind, astounding.
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Remember that this is a "blue state".
It certainly seems to be going that direction, but I'd say that right now, NH is more of a battleground state. We're pretty wide open.
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January 9, 2008, 12:03 am
Primaries: Brokaw’s ‘Novel Idea’ For The Media

By Brian Stelter

Just after 11 p.m., the MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann drew comparisons between the media’s pre-primary predictions and the infamously wrong 1948 headline “Dewey Defeats Truman” in the Chicago Daily Tribune.

Tuesday’s mis-steps were not nearly as serious, of course. Still, immediately after Hillary Clinton completed her victory speech, television analysts began asking why the polls, pundits and politicians had all forecasted a win by Barack Obama.

Tom Brokaw, somewhat of an elder statesmen of television news, may have said it best on MSNBC around 11 p.m. As Mr. Olbermann’s co-anchor Chris Matthews commented on faulty New Hampshire polls, Mr. Brokaw pointed to a larger fault shared by media organizations, suggesting that journalists should “temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding:”

MATTHEWS: We’re going to have to go back and figure out the methodology, I think, on some of these.

BROKAW: You know what I think we’re going to have to go back and do? Wait for the voters to make their judgment.

MATTHEWS: What do we do then in the days before balloting–

BROKAW: What a novel idea–


MATTHEWS: –We must stay home then I guess.

BROKAW: No, no, we don’t stay home. There are reasons to analyze what they’re saying. We know from how the people voted today what moved them to vote. We can take a look at that. There are a lot of issues that had not been fully explored in all this.

But we don’t have to get in the business of making judgments before the polls have closed and trying to stampede and affect the process.

Look, I’m not picking just on us. It’s part of the culture in which we live these days.

But I think the people out there are going to begin to make some judgments about us, if they haven’t already, if we don’t begin to temper that temptation to constantly try to get ahead of what the voters are deciding, in many cases as we learned in New Hampshire, as they went into the polling place today or in the past three days. They were making decisions very late.
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Yes, it does look like the media wanted a premature coronation. Funny, because before Iowa, they had crowned the queen of the royal Clinton family. Then they ran to crown Barack.

Interesting movie, this is.

Despite my love of Huckabee's personality, I honestly don't think I could vote for a Republican. I just love listening to him defend working class people to jerks like Mitt Ram-me.

Maybe Ron Paul against Hillary but Paul came in 5th yesterday.

Why do I dislike Hillary?

Two examples. There could be many more.

http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot....t-against.html

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008..._contrast.html
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