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Old 01-08-2008, 10:48 PM   #461
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I don't honestly see those battle lines changing no matter who gets elected. Might as well have some fun with the assholes.

Well, I have an underdeveloped cynicism gene. I believe that there are enough people who are moderate in their beliefs that can be persuaded to find a middle ground if the dialog centers around issues and not rhetoric. Obama is a likeable figure who could reach that segment of the population. If he can, we may be able to ease (not elimate) some of this gridlock enough to make significant progress.
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Does anybody think Rudy Giuliani has any chance at all?
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If Obama is too far right for you...I'm afraid to ask, who exactly is left enough for you?
You consider Obama left?

Kucinich is the closest for me. I know he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell though. So for me it's all a matter of hoping for someone better than the...whatever lifeform that is...currently holding the job. What is sad to me is it really won't be a big enough change. Will either Obama or Clinton be better? Yes. Will they be optimal? Not by a very long shot.
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Indra needs to come to Canada.

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Old 01-08-2008, 10:53 PM   #465
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She's being villified because no matter what the Fox News/Limbaugh crowd likes to say. She's not a Left wing liberal.
I actually laughed out loud when I heard Bill O'Reilly say something equating her to "the far left". Drop Hillary Clinton into Australian politics and you have yourself a conservative candidate.
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I saw the funniest thing ever tonight. The other night, I was amused to see Chuck Norris strategically placed behind Huckabee...more in the shot than Huckabee's own family, for chrissake!

Tonight, when John Edwards was speaking, who did my eagle eye notice right behind him? Mike Delfino from Desperate Housewives. Mike Delfino! Is a guy who stars in a nighttime dramedy really going to help him win the nomination? Really? I almost burst a spleen laughing.
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I actually laughed out loud when I heard Bill O'Reilly say something equating her to "the far left". Drop Hillary Clinton into Australian politics and you have yourself a conservative candidate.
Just out of curiosity, Earnie, if what you say about Hillary is true, then if you took any of the Republican candidates and dropped them into Australian politics, what exactly would they be considered?
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NH showed a bigger gender gap between Clinton and Obama.
Over age 65 and lower income voters went for Clinton,
and younger (18-24) and higher income voters went for Obama.

BTW - the defense industry has given more money to Hillary than to anyone of either party.
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:58 PM   #469
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Hillary vs. Barack actually matters to me.

My history of support:
84 Mondale but too young
88 Jackson in primary
abstained in general election
92 & 96 abstained
2000 Nader
2004 Kucinich in primary; Kerry in general election

Essentially, Kerry was the first compromise general election vote of my life, and I would give it to Obama without compromise, but HC is another story entirely for me.

I would look third party, Paul, or even possibly Huckabee over Hillary.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:01 PM   #470
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I actually laughed out loud when I heard Bill O'Reilly say something equating her to "the far left". Drop Hillary Clinton into Australian politics and you have yourself a conservative candidate.
To them:
If you're a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.
You're a liberal

If you're a social liberal and a fiscal moderate
You're far left

If you're a social liberal and a fiscal liberal
You're Crazy Pants Communist McGee
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If Hilary gets the nod from Democratic party, can the Republicans have Obama? They need a decent candidate too.
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I would look third party, Paul, or even possibly Huckabee over Hillary.
Huckabee over Hillary?? Really? After voting Nader, and essentially supporting the most left leaning of all candidates, or abstaining, you'd consider Huckabee?
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Just out of curiosity, Earnie, if what you say about Hillary is true, then if you took any of the Republican candidates and dropped them into Australian politics, what exactly would they be considered?
I don't know about Australia but they're not electable in Canada. Maybe some can get seats in rural Alberta...maybe. But you run here on a pro-life platform, and you're pretty much toast, period. The Conservatives in Canada routinely muzzle their 1 or 2 members who hold such views and expressly forbid them from talking about them during the election because of how deadly it is. The Conservative leader has also stated that the gay marriage issue is "settled" so that wouldn't fly. Nevermind dismantling the income tax, LOL.
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NH: actual humans voting per midnight 1-9-2008

1. Clinton
2. Obama
3. McCain
4. Romney
5. Edwards
6. Huckabee
7. Giuliani
8. Paul
9. Richardson
10. Kucinich
11. Thompson
12. Hunter
13. Gravel
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I hate Hillary and Bill, and I couldn't bring myself to Gore because of the lies of the Clintons.
Huckabee is a wild card. Hillary is anything but a wild card.
Like I said, Hillary v Obama matters to me. It's not 'interchangeable' vs the Bush etc. legacy.
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If you take the Edwards, Richardson, and Kucinich voters and ask em to pick between the top two, this is a very different vote.

This is so not decided, so going to the next and the next and the next race.
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It's going to be interesting, that's for sure.

I was so disillusioned by '04s results that I stopped paying attention to American politics. Looks like I'm back.
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Well, I'm glad McCain beat the Romster. I can't believe Clinton pulled it off, even though it was close. I still think Obama can pull this off. A close second in New Hampshire is still impressive in a race we all knew would be tight.
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Clinton 102,770 39% 9 91% reporting
Obama 95,446 37% 9
Edwards 44,406 17% 4
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^ No way she'll take any of his pledged delegates away then, that's too small a victory margin. Not that that makes any real difference in the grand scheme of things.
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