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Old 01-08-2008, 09:57 PM   #381
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They wouldn't be threats to us if we didn't interfere with them. That is why they are threats, because we go into their land and tell them what to do. If we stayed out of all their business like Canada does, we wouldn't need to lose time, money and American lives waging wars on the other side of the globe in order to defeat "threats."
It is a fairly nice sounding platitude, but isolationism has not suited the U.S. historically. We're stuck in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of scenario. "Damned" if we do get involved in global conflicts, because then we're interpreted as the "world police"; "damned" if we don't, because then we're seen as being self-centered, irresponsible global citizens. How many in the anti-war crowd wanted the U.S. to get involved in Darfur, Sudan?

I'm not here to defend Iraq, which was, in hindsight, an ideologically driven escapade given false justification after the fact (as anyone having studied PNAC can attest to). But one colossal mistake (Iraq) should not automatically lead to the other extreme of isolationism.
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Obama is truly an excellent speaker, no matter what.
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Obama's getting in good swipes at hillary.
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Is anyone going to answer my question about the delegates?
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Is anyone going to answer my question about the delegates?
I have no idea. No one in the media seems to give a shit about it.
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We've already interfered with them. Get it?

What's done is done.

Deal with the problem as it actually exists not as an ideal.

That's a moderate, objective, realistic viewpoint, IMO.

That doesn't work well in rallys when you're calling for "change" and trying to placate the left wing idealists but it's as fucking real world as it gets.
Yea, we've already interfered with them. They attacked us, so there is nothing wrong in fighting back (Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda). But why continue to interfere with them in Iraq, Iran, etc.? We don't need to do that.
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Is anyone going to answer my question about the delegates?
We're talking two tiny states with relatively few delegates. It could theoretically go to anyone in later primaries at this point.
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That speech was beautiful.

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Yea, we've already interfered with them. They attacked us, so there is nothing wrong in fighting back (Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda). But why continue to interfere with them in Iraq, Iran, etc.? We don't need to do that.

We shouldn't get involved in Rwanda or Kenya either. Let'em be. That's what I say.

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I am stunned. Did I get it wrong? Did McCain hurt Obama?
No.

Women hurt Obama.
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Was it all women or mostly older women?

I haven't seen a breakdown of age.
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We're talking two tiny states with relatively few delegates. It could theoretically go to anyone in later primaries at this point.

My question addresses the technical aspect of the caucus system.
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I know you are a neo-con so hence you are never going to see reality, so that is why I don't want to start a discussion either. But your ignorance and arrogance are one of the stupidest things that i've ever seen.
Well I know you are a Ron Paul supporter, so you'll never see reality either, my friend.

The radical Islamists do not attack us because we have bases in their land. We have bases all over the world. We have bases in Germany, but you don't see them attacking us, do you? They attack us because they follow the extreme beliefs of Islam that teach hatred, that refuse to allow equality for women and minority opinions. They don't just hate Americans. Remember the attacks in England? Scotland?

I won't say anymore about this. But your belief in a "blame America first" mentality is outrageous and you ought to be ashamed of yourself, your candidate, and everyone who thinks like you do.
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Was it all women or mostly older women?

I haven't seen a breakdown of age.
Me neither. I'm not sure they have one yet?
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Here comes Hillary.
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No.

Women hurt Obama.
THat may be true however, the pollsters projected that independent voters would be heading his way hurting McCain.

If it reached 50 - 50 split - that made the difference.
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the extreme beliefs of Islam that teach hatred, that refuse to allow equality for women and minority opinions.
Replace "Islam" with the "American Religious Right," and you get an equally interesting statement.
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