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Old 03-22-2007, 09:48 AM   #1
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Iran Protests "300" at the UN

Having seen the movie, I could understand why an Iranian might get a little upset. But it seems strange that the Iranian government seem to be accusing the US government of making this movie, and not a director and movie studio. And to protest the movie at the UN seems almost laughable - as if George W was King Leonidas (if only that was true).


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Iran's mission to the UN has in a press release protested the Movie 300, saying it is full of deliberate distortions and derogatory depictions of ancient Persia.


Islamic Republic News Agency - Thursday March 22, 2007



The full text of the press release is as follows:
"Mission of Islamic Republic of Iran To The United Nations -New York "In The Name Of GOD
Press Release Regarding the Movie 300
"Mission of The Islamic Republic of Iran to The United Nations has issued the following statement regarding the movie "300"
"The Iranian people are outraged by the movie produced by the Warner Brothers Studio titled "300" purportedly about an epic battle fought between the Persian and Greek armies in 480 B.C., but which is full of deliberate distortions and derogatory depictions of ancient Persia.

"With its crude demonization of Persians ,as the embodiment of evil, moral corruption, the nefarious and the destructive, the movie is a serious affront to both history and the proud Iranian people.

"While recognizing that this is not a docudrama and its content is largely fictionalized ,that it is a "fantasy "version of a historical past, nonetheless it seems judicious to investigate why the film fails to convey a bare minimum truth about Iranian history and indulges in inventing perverse, demonic images of Persians? "The movie is so overly racist, so overflowing with vicious stereotype of Persians, as a dangerous, bestial force fatally threatening the civilized "free" world, that conveys an implicit acquiescence to the contemporary discourses of hatred espousing a `clash of civilizations.'
"Indeed, the movie's distorted fabrications about the Persians cannot be isolated from the current concerted efforts by certain Western interest circles to systematically demonize the Iranian nation. The movie's slavish imitation of the anti-Iran discourses by those circles is inextricably tied up with its voice-over metaphoric thrust, reflecting a subtle propaganda that feels no obligation to respecting the sensibilities of the Iranian people. Although it may fit within the demands of the hegemonic policies, in today's globalized context this movie is bound to incite righteous rage by millions of people who can see through its peculiar, biased representation of a historical past the excesses of a hate ideology over form.

"What explains the movie's repeat references to "Persian slaves" while omitting any hint that Sparta at the time was thriving in slavery and that, per the account of Greek historians, Herodotus and Plutarch, the Spartan slaves known as Helots fought in the battles against Persians According to the historian Peter Hunt, "That greater number of Helots, whom Spartans called their "slaves", also did defending Greece puts the noble struggle for freedom in a different light." On Sparta, Plutarch has written: "There is nothing to match either the freedom of the free at Sparta or the slavery of the slave".

The movie faithfully depicts the Spartans 'attire, e.g., their distinctive red cloaks, but fails to do so for the Persians, this when there are ample pictorial and narrative descriptions of how the Persian kings and their soldiers dressed. All the film's producers needed to do was to consult Herodotus `account of the Immortal Guards, a "body of picked Persian troops" whose attire bore no resemblance to the evil forces shown in 300: "First the Persians themselves: the dress of their troops consisted of the tiara, or soft felt cap, embroidered tunic with sleeves, a coat of mail looking like the scales of a fish, with trousers; for arms they carried large wicker shields, quivers slung below them, short spears, powerful bows, with cane arrows, and daggers swinging from belts beside the right thigh".

"History is an acquired, learnt activity and the power of cinematic medium to provide us with historical insights into traumatic events only means that distorting the image of Iranians should not be a tool to sell tickets. It is like re-writing history with poison.

"In short, the movie's exploitation of ancient history to launch a thinly-veiled attack on Iranian history and identity is both harshly unfair and morally suspect."
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as if George W was King Leonidas (if only that was true).
But without his head ending up on a pole, right?
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Re: Iran Protests "300" at the UN

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But it seems strange that the Iranian government seem to be accusing the US government of making this movie, and not a director and movie studio.
That's because the Iranian government has its hand in everything over there so it expects the U.S. government to have the same power.
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seeing it on Friday!

can't wait for the most homoerotic movie since Top Gun.

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seeing it on Friday!

can't wait for the most homoerotic movie since Top Gun.
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Where'd you hear that?
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seeing it on Friday!

can't wait for the most homoerotic movie since Top Gun.


I can picture you sitting there doing this.

LOL enjoy the movie. Best movie of the year so far.
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The Iranian president has publicily denied the Holocaust. Do these same people have a problem with their president's "deliberate distortion" of history?
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The Iranian president has publicily denied the Holocaust. Do these same people have a problem with their president's "deliberate distortion" of history?

Ooooooo. Good one.

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Where'd you hear that?


from people who have seen it.

it's been termed "gym bears" vs. "disco queens." gay-on-gay violence.

i'm not much for violence, but i figure a few beers will take the edge off and i'll just enjoy the scenery.
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seeing it on Friday!

can't wait for the most homoerotic movie since Top Gun.

lower your expectations

i found it very forgetable
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Re: Iran Protests "300" at the UN

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Having seen the movie



You seem to have enjoyed the movie.

What is your opinion of how the Spartan culture, belief system, and values were depicted?
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the acting and dialogue are horrendous but it is very pretty to look at.
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The press release is in accompaniment to the protest the Iranian Academy of Arts filed a few days ago with UNESCO (the UN's education, science and culture organization, which among other things is charged with supporting the preservation of culture through the arts, and gives out various awards for artistic achievements including cinema). It's not like filing a motion with the General Assembly or something.
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Re: Re: Iran Protests "300" at the UN

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You seem to have enjoyed the movie.

What is your opinion of how the Spartan culture, belief system, and values were depicted?
Sparta had one of the earliest forms of democracy, that was about the best I can say for their culture.

I thought "Gates of Fire" by Steven Pressfield, a historical fiction masterpiece, was more entertaining than "300."

I enjoy most last stand/underdog/Alamo type of movies. I also enjoy movies that don't constantly rant about how evil Western Civilization is.
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Sparta didn't have democracy

That was Athens...though the Spartans saved Athens early ideas of democracy by defeating an Athenian tyrant, but that was more by accident that design.

Sparta has dual hereditary kings, which were basically just the top military brass, a council of 5 beneath them carried out general governance, and then a greater council made up of men over a certain age....

Sparta's culture in general was a very mixed up affair, totalitarian and militaristic it was, but it was also probably the best city for women, in Athens women weren't allowed to be seen on the street without a male relative or husband unless they wanted to be considered a whore. The women of Sparta were well respected, and there was state education for all, men and women....the idea being that how could you bring up strong men if the mother's are not strong themselves. They could also own property and were on equal footing with men in divorce law.

Problem is Sparta did not record it's own history, that was left to the other Greek cities who did not really like them much, hence a lot is really unknown about Sparta.

On topic....the vast majority of the Persian forces weren't even Persian, they were a whole mix mash of different people's from the asiatic Saka, Mede's, ethnic Greeks from Anatolia and ethnic Indians......everything really, the Persians would have been the minority in the army it. It would have looked an odd bunch of people to the Greeks recording the history.....so it is not a specific slight on the Persians...again anyway how many people across the world know the Iranians are ethnically Persian?

The history of the whole war is sourced from a Greek perspective, which described the Persians as 'effeminate' because they wore trousers So it should always be taken with a grain of salt, however the whole Greek Persian war was barely important to the Persians themselves, it was a vanity war which went wrong.

After the Battle of Plataea when the Persians were kicked out of Greece, it barely registered within their empire, it didn't aid in their fall, the empire didn't collapse til another 100 years later, it was a mere blip on their glorious empires history, though the war was the first major clash of 'east vs west'....and certainly early ideas of democracy and fledgling idea of western civilisation would have been destroyed, that said democracy would have come about naturally again at some point...

Ahh sorry for the history lesson...its one of my favourite periods in ancient history
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Last Stand of the 300

Seven thousand Greek soldiers face the war machine of the Persian Empire in a narrow pass in Northern Greece.

/\ This is on the History Channel this month.

I enjoyed it much more than the movie.

I was surprised that many / perhaps most of the events and people in the film were in the History Channel production.

Both open up with the Spartan practice of Infanticide.

This really happened. So much for Western values.

Also, is the Spartans mind set and belief system that much different from "jihadist "?
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Umm a bit...they didn't believe the whole world should be under their control, they sought honour and admiration in battle but not as a means to propagate an ideology....they just trained to be the greatest soldiers in the world, that is what they sought from life...they were quite content with the land they had in the Peloponese and didn't want more...except an amount of subservience from the rest of the Greeks...

Anyway silly comparing them to the jihadists....it wasn't a religious war.....It was one empire seeking dominance againts a bunch of city-states that got quite lucky in the end....

Athenians saw the beginning of 'Western values' not Spartans so I don't know why you bring it up...most Greeks then considered the Spartans pretty barbaric, of course the infanticide was wrong, but should anything like that overshadow everything a civilisation has achieved in the past? As for the helots, a lot of civilisations have been built on slavery of one kind, western and eastern....Cyrus the Great made his sons marry their sister's to keep their bloodline pure........values back then really can't be compared to modern values now....
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Umm a bit...they didn't believe the whole world should be under their control, they sought honour and admiration in battle but not as a means to propagate an ideology....they just trained to be the greatest soldiers in the world, that is what they sought from life...they were quite content with the land they had in the Peloponese and didn't want more...except an amount of subservience from the rest of the Greeks...

Anyway silly comparing them to the jihadists....it wasn't a religious war.....It was one empire seeking dominance againts a bunch of city-states that got quite lucky in the end....

Athenians saw the beginning of 'Western values' not Spartans so I don't know why you bring it up...most Greeks then considered the Spartans pretty barbaric, of course the infanticide was wrong, but should anything like that overshadow everything a civilisation has achieved in the past? As for the helots, a lot of civilisations have been built on slavery of one kind, western and eastern....Cyrus the Great made his sons marry their sister's to keep their bloodline pure........values back then really can't be compared to modern values now....
I think you need to give Sparta a little more credit. It definitely had a form of democracy - some say it predates the Athenians' version.

Was Sparta brutal? Yes. Did they have a king (or kings)? Yes. But they also had a representative government and a constitution.
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