Se7en
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martha said:
He doesn't give a fuck about either one.
how do you know?
anyway, pat robertson is a psycho - obviously.
martha said:
He doesn't give a fuck about either one.
Se7en said:merge baby merge!
Irvine511 said:just so everyone knows ... Pat Robertson was on the list of people the White House "consulted" on the Supreme Court nominee decision.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I don't think the left would be that easily turned off. The left, at least here in America know Pat Robertson, if they were going to be turned off, they already would have.
This campaign needs the right, Bono realizes that.
Here's the issue. And I'm gonna try and word this as carefully as possible but I'm still probably going to offend some. Conservative Christians a group that has helped the current president keep his chair, a group that has helped him get there, is very influential and is very sensitive. We've seen it in here, any slight on any stance or any leader of theirs and they take it as a slight on Christianity as a whole. Bono "kicking" out Robertson could jeopardize this campaign from a large influential group. And frankly this is a group that historically hasn't supported such campaigns, whereas the left has.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:it doesn´t follow the teachings of Jesus at all,
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
But I am turned off.
What the fuck do I care about how sensitive conservative Christians are? Its THEIR turn to change that. I am a Catholic Christian and I have the right to be pissed of by the complete American conservative Christian right. it doesn´t appeal to me at all, it doesn´t follow the teachings of Jesus at all, and probably one would need to explain the ten commandments to Mister assfucking Robertson.
nbcrusader said:
You lost me here. Are you claiming to have the true way of following Jesus?
Teta040 said:Pat Robertson is NOT a nutcase. The man is dead serious, and he is a mainstream, well-respected figure. He's not like Jerry Falwell...
Teta040 said:
I am sure Robertson turned on the charm when Bono approcahed him. I have observed this decade that Bono has lost some of his edge in dealing with these people..or rather that they have learned how to neutralize him. He is used to dealing with recalcitrant politicans. He knows how to handle them. But when these politicians do their homework and study his methods, they turn his own weapons on him, and suck him in. Bush is the prime example of this.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
But let me ask you this, who's getting more done? The ones being outspoken or the ones playing the game?
nbcrusader said:The arrogance of you statement is appalling. If you want to criticize, fine, make your statement - I can handle them. Hiding behind broad statements leave nothing to respond to.
As for the specific issue, your expectation that everyone (from Bono to conservative Christians) has a duty to condemn Robertson establishes a principle you really don't want to live by.
Yes, Robertson is a nut that I can afford to ignore. He is the Howard Stern of politics, interjecting wild statements to get people riled up. He's done this for years. And the vast majority of what are called "conservative Christians" ignore him as well.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
If you take a look at Bono´s (and ours) big heroes like MLK, I´d say, the outspoken. I appreciate the efforts of Bono, however, he´s walking a very thin line, and accusations of being neutralized don´t exist out of oblivion. I am far from thinking he is neutralized - the recent Live8 concerts being an example for that - but he shouldn´t exaggerate in "walking the walk and playing the game". Many eyes are watching him, and it is our duty to control the directions he takes, with the image of angel he has and likes to spread.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
This cause requires the backing of governments...
Right but that question was in direct response to a statement Teta040 said...whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:@ BonoVoxSuperstar: Your general question, not limited to musicians, was whether the outspoken succeed or those who play the game. Leave mediocre rockbands like Green Day out of that. Like I have said, there´s no reason to critisize Bush or Blair openly, everyone can live with that. Everyone can see the reason for it, those are men in power, right.
Se7en said:
well since we live in a "free" and "democratic" society, shouldn't the cause require the backing of the people?
i'm...so...confused....
BonoVoxSupastar said:
That's why the campaign is asking the people to write their government, that's the whole premise of action behind this campaign.
Teta040 said:Pat Robertson is NOT a nutcase. The man is dead serious, and he is a mainstream, well-respected figure. He's not like Jerry Falwell...and was in a different class altogether from Jim Bakker and Tammy Fae. He's not some upstart. He founded a big university in Virginai that has churned out mainstream evengelical pastors for over 20 yrs. I remember watching him when I was a kid. That's the problem..I was a kid. Thank God, I outgrew him even before he turned corrupt.
That is what is so frightening and dangerous about him. I never thought he would radicalize like this. You would have never predicted it in, say, 1989. All these other upstarts..James Dobson, etc etc, are all trying to be like him, but they'll need another 20 yrs to approach his class. They have the politcal influcne but not the financial powerbase. He has a well-established business and Educational empire, a true "base of operations" every bit as powerful as a corporation. Again, this is what makes him so frightening.
nbcrusader said:I doubt you are unwilling to live to the standard you are establishing here. Let's see if I get this straight - for every nut job, extremist view or disagreeable viewpoint made, there should be a clear statement repudiating such viewpoint. Failure to do so will subject you to judgment as, what, agreeing with? in step with? said nut job, extremist, etc.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:Allow me to compare: if Muslim organizations didn´t take distance from the extremists in their own rows, but kept saying "oh they´re all nuts, just ignore them" - would you take those same Muslim organizations serious? No, you will only take them serious when they say "We condemn the evil acts of those terrorists, that´s not what we believe in, that´s not what the name Muslim stands for".
DaveC said:How come every time someone calls for the assassination or ouster of a world leader, said leader is conveniently sitting on MASSIVE oil reserves?