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Old 03-23-2003, 02:08 PM   #21
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Nice sign, but I would prefer wording that says "America supports its troops" as being more politically neutral and inclusive. Many of us who don't ordinarily support Bush are supporting the efforts of our men and women in unform. They are there, they have jobs to do and let's wish them all Godspeed.
i totally agree. I am NOT a Bush supporter, but am a supporter of the current use of military force in Iraq.
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Re: Re: Re: IMO, Anti-war protestors should keep quiet..

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People need to back our troops whether they agree with the war or not, because these brave men and women are putting their lives on the line.

Isn't this self-contradictory? If you don't agree with what they're doing, how can you support them?
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because they're putting their lives on the line for your freedom. we wouldn't have the luxury of protesting or speaking our minds if they weren't making the ultimate sacrifice.
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You can support the troops without being pro-war.
Exactly
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Re: IMO, Anti-war protestors should keep quiet..

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i think these mad mad people should stop protesting, their protesting won't do them nothing other than get themselves arrested. i know we have a right to protest but they need to realize iraq has a lot of weapons of mass destruction that could possibly be in hands of terrorists and if we don't do anything about it, who will? i was thinking about this yesterday as i saw 800 or so protestors in seattle on the streets, then 100,000 or so in NYC Manhatten.. now thats just crazy. it would be nice if these people would support the troops intead of bashing the war.

don't any of you agree?
How do you know they don't support the troops, did you ask them? I bet the majority of them do support our troops and want them HOME where they belong.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: IMO, Anti-war protestors should keep quiet..

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Isn't this self-contradictory? If you don't agree with what they're doing, how can you support them?
I agree with you.
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because they're putting their lives on the line for your freedom. we wouldn't have the luxury of protesting or speaking our minds if they weren't making the ultimate sacrifice.
Putting their lives on the line is what every soldier does (potentially) when he goes to war.

I thought the luxury of protesting and speaking your mind was acquired in the Constitution.


OK, then what do you think about the common sign "NOT IN MY NAME"? Wouldn't that apply to the troops as well, if it applies to the war?
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Re: Re: IMO, Anti-war protestors should keep quiet..

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I agree wholeheartedly with every word you just said. Now's the time to be supportive of the troops over seas. It's too late for protesting.
It's never too late to voice your dissent. "Support for our troops" doesn't mean that those who oppose the war need to keep quiet, especially when what they're saying shows "support": Bring the troops home!
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I agree too. Though I do pray for the safety of the troops, I do not support them.

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because they're putting their lives on the line for your freedom. we wouldn't have the luxury of protesting or speaking our minds if they weren't making the ultimate sacrifice.
It's not a luxury; it's a Constitutional right.
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I thought the luxury of protesting and speaking your mind was acquired in the Constitution.
who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
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because they're putting their lives on the line for your freedom. we wouldn't have the luxury of protesting or speaking our minds if they weren't making the ultimate sacrifice.
I think this is blurring the lines.

How is the action in Iraq protecting our freedom?
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while I agree that they have the right to peaceful protest, there are those who incite the cops by spitting on them and curse and scream and purposely stir the crowd into a battle against the police.
that doesn't help anyone, the cops are just there to do their jobs.
Not all 100,000 were doing this. And be careful of the "just doing their jobs" mindset.

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who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
In most peaceful countries around the world freedoms of constitution don't need to be protected, as they're not threatened in everyday life, assuming normal cirumstances.
If necessary, law and law enforcement (police) are used for that.

That fight you're talking about would be the Independence war?
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While I don't know exactly what went on in NYC (so there is a chance I'm talking out of my ass), cops have been known in the past to make sure that protesters which with they disagree have a hard time expressing themselves peacefully. (Think back to anti-Klan marches.) So let's wait and see what really happened, and how many of the 100,000 were misbehaving.
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screw you if you think you can tell me to keep quiet. screw all of you who dont want to hear what i say, ill say it with the protesters, and we'll all say it as loud as we can. fortunately for the whitehouse, they appear to have soundproof walls.

this topic is rediculous. absolutely horrible. and the fact so many of you dont appear to be outraged by this is disheartening.
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who do you think protects the freedoms of the constitution? the constitution would be nothing more than a piece of paper if people weren't willing to fight to protect it.
And it would be nothing more than a piece of paper if the protesters in NYC weren't allowed to speak their piece.
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I agree too. Though I do pray for the safety of the troops, I do not support them.
That's exactly how I feel.

And I agree with Martha. I'm completely against violent protest, but I'm glad that people are still exercising their right to protest this war.
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The troops signed up for the army in the knowledge that they may have to kill people in their job. If i dont agree with the concept of war (especially wars of agression) how can i support those who make it possible and actively take part/ promote war?

I do not understand people who tell me to support these troops. They are not protecting me in Iraq!!!

Also, i protest because protesting is a right of people in a democracy. We are in a democracy and we must therefore use this right If we dont use it then what is the point in being in a democracy?
How can those who are most in favour of our democracy's at the same time criticise people for making use of our freedom? Its hypocritical and ignorant.

Finally, just because i am against this war doesnt mean that i dont recognise and dispise the human rights violations that go on in Iraq AND GUATANAMO BAY. We cannot forget that Iraq is not alone in committing human rights violations. If we hated Saddam Hussein and knew his actions 12 years ago, why didnt we liberate the Iraqi people then?
(because Bush snr wanted a quick short war as an election winning action - thats why)
Lets not kid ourselves that this war is about human rights.

I'll shut up now!!!
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Screaming Flower: what is your opinion on things like Patriot act, then? Or how certain rights were quickly weakened since 911 in US?
BTW, what does Iraq war have to do with your constitutional rights anyway?

ps: not a single US soldier thought for my freedom. In WW II our very own Partisan army liberated Slovenia, and (in my lifetime) in 1991 our very own Territorial defense (basically an army, only with a different name) succesfully defended us from Yugoslav army. (after US, among many other states, condemned any unilateral action on our part - meaning our indepence declared!)
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