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Old 06-20-2007, 03:00 PM   #61
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And now straight people in Massachusetts are divorcring left and right because gay people can get married.


you're right. soon, Massachusetts will lose it's ranking as the state with the lowest divorce rate.

look out Arkansas!

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Old 06-20-2007, 03:03 PM   #62
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This is family values and the hetero lifestyle:



and this is the homo lifestyle:



(they've been together 7 years)
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but don't you see?

those lesbians degraded marriage and family values so much that K-Fed and Brit *had* to get divorced.

they looked at the lesbians and say, "gosh, i disagree with the gay lifestyle so much, and now they can get MARRIED too! i guess our marriage doesn't mean as much as it used to. i'm going to start drinking heavily and shave my head and you, K-Fed, go impregnant another score of women."
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:10 PM   #64
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It passed in the NY House, and still has to pass in the NY Senate, but definitely a step in the right direction.


Spitzer in 2012/16.

he is a force. and his poll numbers have IMPROVED since his principled stance on the fact that gays and lesbians are human beings as well.
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Did you read the article posted on page 2 about the woman who was denied being able to be at her partner's bedside as she DIED? If not, could you read it. If you have read it could you please tell me how as a Christian you can not see the heart-breaking injustice of what happened to them?
I asked that earlier-no response. An inconvenient question perhaps, or perhaps just part of a general FYM ignoring-it's tough to tell.
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I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle. I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.
I totally disagree with the fundamentalist lifestyle and I don't want them getting married and procreating either, and I don't want them defining marriage.

So let's pass some laws.
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I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.
Oh, and one more response to this bullshit. The definition of marriage used to include the woman as property of the man. So marriage has already changed. Sorry. Or do you want to go back to that too? I never can tell how far back you people want to go.
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I totally disagree with the fundamentalist lifestyle and I don't want them getting married and procreating either, and I don't want them defining marriage.

Um uh, well um, ye um STATUS QUO STATUS QUO!!!

Whoo, I almost thought you had me there and I wouldn't be able to retort.
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Um uh, well um, ye um STATUS QUO STATUS QUO!!!
DAMN! I hadn't thought of that argument.
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Hate Speech?

The Supreme Court has been asked to reverse rulings that found the terms "marriage," "natural family," and "union of a man and woman" can be punished as hate speech in government workplaces.

The Washington Times reports the phrases were in a flyer distributed by city employees in Oakland, California. The flyers were in response to a homosexual group that was allowed to post promotional material on the city's e-mail system.

But a lesbian co-worker complained she felt "targeted" and "excluded" by the flyers — which the city ordered removed. The authors of the flyer sued, claiming discrimination, and lost.

The group representing the women who wrote the flyers says the rulings have silenced hundreds who simply wish to talk about marriage and family values.


So basically, gays can hand out flyers promoting their lifestyle and excluding straight individuals and thats alright, but when straight employees promote traditional marriage and values and exclude gays, that crosses a line.

People are far too anxious to cry discrimination today.
You are talking about a government office, the gays have as much right to not be discriminated against there as any other citizen. If it was a privately owned workplace then you would have a point but for deliberately exclusive propaganda to be put up through a government office is wrong, wrong, wrong.

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You know what? You're right. I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle. I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.
Good for you embracing a narrow minded point of view, but it's pretty dodgy that you feel that your own prejudices take precedence over other individuals sexual liberties. You want to define marraige then keep a religious definition within a church that doesn't allow gays to do it but don't go and get the government to mandate that a contract for a long term relationship is only legitimate for heterosexuals.

Just a crazy far left opinion that the state has no place obstructing people from legitimising their relationships.
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Just a crazy far left opinion that the state has no place obstructing people from legitimising their relationships.


some relationships are more legitimate than others.

relationships with PENISES and VAGINAS!
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relationships with PENISES and VAGINAS!
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Dirty words like that are the real hate speech
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and you know what those are for. MAKING CHILDREN!!! lots and lots of CHILDREN!!!

because marriage is only and has ever only been about THE CHILDREN!!!
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I don't care who marries who. I just wanna know if gay marriage being preserved in MA will help the Red Sox win the World Series again. Maybe some people think it will doom them for all eternity.
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Good for you embracing a narrow minded point of view,
Narrow minded? I have an opinion, and because it disagrees with your opinion, I'm narrow minded?

I dont think opposing marriage being anything other than a man and a woman is narrow minded or intolerant. I adhere to a strict set of principles which I follow, but I consider myself open minded on many things.
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can you back up your belief? why -- precisely why -- must marriage be only one thing.

why are you unconcerned with homosexual relationships to the point where you'd do them harm in order to protect your belief?
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and you know what those are for. MAKING CHILDREN!!! lots and lots of CHILDREN!!!

because marriage is only and has ever only been about THE CHILDREN!!!
DAMMIT! You guys are busting my ass today.
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Narrow minded? I have an opinion, and because it disagrees with your opinion, I'm narrow minded?
No. You're narrow-minded because you want to base laws on your discriminatory opinion.



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I dont think opposing marriage being anything other than a man and a woman is narrow minded or intolerant.
Glad you think so. The folks who thought those colored kids should stay in their own schools didn't think they were narrow-minded or intolerant either.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2861U2 I adhere to a strict set of principles which I follow, but I consider myself open minded on many things. [QUOTE]

Like what??
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So not to drop names here but I think most of us here will appreciate this lil story.

I was at my sister's wedding last wedding ( ) in Nantucket and Gov. Duval Patrick was there. Mother of the Groom and he, it seems, go way back to when they were both on some school board together or something. He was asked about this development in MA and said he was proud of his state, and thought of marraige equality as a "civil rights issue".
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