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Old 06-20-2007, 01:12 PM   #41
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Hate Speech?

The Supreme Court has been asked to reverse rulings that found the terms "marriage," "natural family," and "union of a man and woman" can be punished as hate speech in government workplaces.

The Washington Times reports the phrases were in a flyer distributed by city employees in Oakland, California. The flyers were in response to a homosexual group that was allowed to post promotional material on the city's e-mail system.

But a lesbian co-worker complained she felt "targeted" and "excluded" by the flyers — which the city ordered removed. The authors of the flyer sued, claiming discrimination, and lost.

The group representing the women who wrote the flyers says the rulings have silenced hundreds who simply wish to talk about marriage and family values.


So basically, gays can hand out flyers promoting their lifestyle and excluding straight individuals and thats alright, but when straight employees promote traditional marriage and values and exclude gays, that crosses a line.

People are far too anxious to cry discrimination today.
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Old 06-20-2007, 01:17 PM   #42
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Hate Speech?

The Supreme Court has been asked to reverse rulings that found the terms "marriage," "natural family," and "union of a man and woman" can be punished as hate speech in government workplaces.

The Washington Times reports the phrases were in a flyer distributed by city employees in Oakland, California. The flyers were in response to a homosexual group that was allowed to post promotional material on the city's e-mail system.

But a lesbian co-worker complained she felt "targeted" and "excluded" by the flyers — which the city ordered removed. The authors of the flyer sued, claiming discrimination, and lost.

The group representing the women who wrote the flyers says the rulings have silenced hundreds who simply wish to talk about marriage and family values.


So basically, gays can hand out flyers promoting their lifestyle and excluding straight individuals and thats alright, but when straight employees promote traditional marriage and values and exclude gays, that crosses a line.

People are far too anxious to cry discrimination today.
And what's the source of this? I know you have a problem with sources but it would be nice.

"Have been asked to find", and "are" as you stated earlier aren't the same thing.

I know 5 years old with a better grasp on these types of things.

I guess you've never heard of trying to make a point, think about it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280832,00.html

http://www.realtruth.org/news/070608...ch-ruling.html

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25661.html

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/6/prweb531074.htm

Those are sources.

I couldnt find a response to this story in your post. Maybe you could go hang out with those 5 year olds you know and they could teach you how to read.

Try again. I want an answer this time. Do you, BonoVoxSupastar, think it is ok for gays to promote gay lifestyle but not ok for straight people to promote straight lifestyle? What happened to free speech and equality that you adore? Do those only apply to minorities? Please tell me.
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Try again. I want an answer this time. Do you, BonoVoxSupastar, think it is ok for gays to promote gay lifestyle but not ok for straight people to promote straight lifestyle? What happened to free speech and equality that you adore? Do those only apply to minorities? Please tell me.
Try again, what? There were no sources originally.

Someone has filed a case to make a point, what part of that do you not get? There have been other cases like this as well, most don't go through.

But someone is trying to make a point that "marriage" shouldn't be an exclusive term. I know this may be difficult to understand...

Tell me what exactly is a gay "lifestyle"? What is a straight "lifestyle"?

Why should we have to promote either one? I know who I am, she knows who she is, and he knows who he is.

Do you know who you are? Are you scared a pamphlet may change your sexual orientation?
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Do you know who you are?
Yes

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Are you scared a pamphlet may change your sexual orientation?
No.

But "family values" and "marriage" being challenged as hate speech? That is ridiculous. I dont get why homosexuals can exclude heterosexuals but not vice-versa.

Note to self- never live in California.
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Try again. I want an answer this time. Do you, BonoVoxSupastar, think it is ok for gays to promote gay lifestyle but not ok for straight people to promote straight lifestyle? What happened to free speech and equality that you adore? Do those only apply to minorities? Please tell me. [/B]
Yeah!!

Why do people think it's ok for blacks to promote a black lifestyle but not for whites to promote a caucasian lifestyle?
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How were heterosexuals being excluded? According to one of the links you posted, these were some of the things the gay employees were "promoting"

# An invitation to view an “altar exhibition” for the “Day of the Dead”
# The promotion of “National Coming Out Day”
# An invitation to the “First Annual Holiday Mixer” for Oakland’s Gay-Straight Employee Alliance.
# An invitation, sent by an Oakland City Councilmember, to participate in “the first anti-Iraq War teach-in sponsored by a city government anywhere in the U.S.”

If you aren't interested in any of that you don't go, it's as simple as that Whereas the hetero group actually used the phrase "Preserve Our Workplace With Integrity". Come on, we all know what that is code for and it isn't even code when you just analyze the words-it is saying outright that the gay people and what they are "promoting" has no integrity.
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So I caught a bit of news during lunch (CNN's Your World Today) and would swear I saw on the ticker scroll that NY just passed a similar bill??? Anyone else see this? Be great if so!
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So I caught a bit of news during lunch (CNN's Your World Today) and would swear I saw on the ticker scroll that NY just passed a similar bill??? Anyone else see this? Be great if so!
It passed in the NY House, and still has to pass in the NY Senate, but definitely a step in the right direction.
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Yeah!!

Why do people think it's ok for blacks to promote a black lifestyle but not for whites to promote a caucasian lifestyle?
Huh?

So you think that free speech and equality should only protect minorities? Is that what I'm getting?

So... if a minority says something vulgar and offensive, it's ok because it's free speech. But if a white Christian male says something offensive, it's discrimination and hatred.

Correct?
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Ah, I see...thanks Antriam!
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Correct?
NO.

The point is there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle, much like there is no such thing as a female lifestyle or a black lifestyle. A gay man is born gay the way you were born straight.
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You know what? You're right. I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle. I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.

Oh, did you hear "marriage" and "family values" are now hate speech? Do some of you in here, namely BVS, anitram, Irvine, Springsteen honestly think this a good thing? Way to go, SP-California.


i'm as gay as it gets.



i'd love to get married. but you won't let me.
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So basically, gays can hand out flyers promoting their lifestyle and excluding straight individuals and thats alright, but when straight employees promote traditional marriage and values and exclude gays, that crosses a line.

People are far too anxious to cry discrimination today.


could you please let me know what the "gay lifestyle" is?

i'm a grade-A fag, and i haven't a clue as to what makes my "lifestyle" gay, other than being in love with another man.

you seem to be much more intimately acquainted with the "gay lifestyle." please, tell me about it.
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You sure?



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But "family values" and "marriage" being challenged as hate speech? That is ridiculous. I dont get why homosexuals can exclude heterosexuals but not vice-versa.

Note to self- never live in California.
You don't get that it's a point they are trying to make? If marriage was equal, they wouldn't need for it to be hate speech. What part of that don't you get?

How are homosexuals excluding you? Please explain that one?



And explain to me what these lifestyles you talk about are!!!

Note to self: Never live in a closed mind.
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No, that's not it at all. Gays and lesbians need to realize that they cant have everything their own way.

Marriage is one man and one woman. I dont believe gays should be able to get married or have the same benefits as my mother and father do. If they want to have a "domestic partnership" or whatever it is called, fine. I dont comprehend how you guys saying that someone opposing gay marriage is "anti-family." You're losing me on that.
Did you read the article posted on page 2 about the woman who was denied being able to be at her partner's bedside as she DIED? If not, could you read it. If you have read it could you please tell me how as a Christian you can not see the heart-breaking injustice of what happened to them?
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I dont believe gays should be able to get married or have the same benefits as my mother and father do.
Why not?

Uppity homos is it?
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Why not?



you've seen what's happened to this country since the blacks started voting.

youknowhatimean?
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Note to self- never live in California.


You'd never make it. Not even here in Orange County.
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you've seen what's happened to this country since the black started voting.

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Hell in a hand-basket

And now straight people in Massachusetts are divorcring left and right because gay people can get married.
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