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Old 06-15-2007, 08:31 PM   #21
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^ No, more that it's a 'crime against the natural order' of society.
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Should he ask his fellow Republicans who've been divorced several times, many due to extramarital affairs, all about what an institution it is?

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Just one personal story, among many, that shows why we need national marriage equality.

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Lacey woman shares tale of denial at bedside of her dying partner
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OLYMPIA — Four months ago, Lacey resident Janice Langbehn, her partner Lisa Pond and their children Katie, David and Danielle, ages 10 to 13, were set for a relaxing cruise from Miami to the Bahamas.

But Pond, Langbehn’s partner for nearly 18 years, was stricken in Miami with a brain aneurysm and died. The family says the way they were treated by hospital staff compounded their shock and grief.

Langbehn, a social worker, said officials at the University of Miami, Jackson Memorial Hospital did not recognize her or their jointly adopted children as part of Pond’s family. They were not allowed to be with her in the emergency room, and Langbehn’s authority to make decisions for Pond was not recognized.

“We never set out to change the world or change how others accept gay families,” Langbehn told the crowd at the Capital City Pride on Sunday. “We just wanted to be allowed to live equally and raise our children by giving them all the same opportunities their peers have.”

While Washington is one of a half-dozen states to recognize same-sex partnerships in some fashion, Florida is not.

Langbehn said that the pain from losing Pond is still fresh, but she spoke at the gay pride event Sunday because the issue of legal recognition of homosexual families was too important to let go.

“I want people to be able to hold their partner’s hand in their moment of death,” she said.

Pond suffered the aneurysm just before the R Family Vacations cruise ship left Miami for the Bahamas in February, Langbehn said. After Pond was taken to the emergency room, Langbehn said she was informed by a social worker that they were in an “anti-gay state” and that they needed legal paperwork before Langbehn could see Pond.

Even after a friend in Olympia faxed the legal documents that showed that Pond had authorized Langbehn to make medical decisions for her, Langbehn said she wasn’t invited to be with her partner or told anything about her condition.

She said she wasn’t allowed to see Pond again until a priest arrived to give Pond the Anointing of the Sick, also commonly known as Last Rites.

“I was shocked. It never would have been on my radar that we wouldn’t be allowed to say goodbye,” Langbehn said. “When I was an emergency room social worker at Mary Bridge (Children’s Hospital and Health Center in Tacoma), if someone had said they were an aunt or a partner, I would have let them say their last goodbyes.”

Langbehn says she still has not been given Pond’s medical records from the hospital nor her death certificate directly from the county or the state, which affected their children’s Social Security benefits.

But she has received support from the local community and from former talk show host Rosie O’Donnell, who has e-mailed her to offer support and said she was angry over the way the family was treated. O’Donnell’s partner, Kelli O’Donnell, is a co-founder of R Family Vacations.

Capital City Pride co-chair Anna Schlecht said that Langbehn’s story drives home the reason why gays and lesbians continue to lobby for national legal recognition of their partnerships and families.

“When Janice told me the story over the phone, I started crying,” she said. “Death is hard enough. I can’t imagine having my children barred from me in the last moments of my life.”

Langbehn said attitudes changed when doctors in charge of organ donation recognized Langbehn and Pond as a couple. They accepted Langbehn’s signature on the consent forms, she said. They also allowed the children to visit with their mother, who was kept on life support while organ matches were found.

Pond, who was a volunteer with her church and with the Girl Scouts, as well as a foster mother, wished to donate her organs because she wanted to continue to give to people after her death, Langbehn said.

“I heard from the heart recipient last week,” she said. “Now he’s able to play with his grandkids again and he definitely would like to meet our family.”
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^Heartbreaking. I just don't understand how anyone with a shred of morality could not see the injustice of this.
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Because people get lost in the agenda. People always get lost.
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By Marisol Bello, USA TODAY 6/20

States that have banned gay marriage are beginning to revoke the benefits of domestic partners of public employees.

Michigan has gone farthest, prohibiting cities, universities and other public employers from offering benefits to same-sex partners. In all, 27 states have passed constitutional amendments defining marriage as the legally sanctioned union of a man and a woman.

A Michigan court ruled in February that public employers may not offer benefits to unmarried partners, gay or straight, because of a 2004 amendment defining marriage. Government employers there had offered benefits only to gay couples.

Kalamazoo and the Ann Arbor school district have notified employees that they will end domestic partners' benefits. An appeal is before the state Supreme Court.

Kentucky Attorney General Gregory Stumbo ruled this month that the University of Kentucky and the University of Louisville may not offer benefits to domestic partners, gay or straight.

A U.S. appeals court last year upheld Nebraska's amendment barring government employers from granting benefits, including health insurance, to same-sex couples. It didn't address benefits for unmarried heterosexual couples.

Ohio state Rep. Tom Brinkman, a Republican, has filed a lawsuit to bar Miami University of Ohio from offering benefits to same-sex partners of employees.

"We're in kind of a giant race, a historic race, with all these court cases," says Matt Daniels, president of Alliance for Marriage, which lobbies for a marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. "When the dust settles, we'll have a national standard for marriage. What is going on in the states is a dress rehearsal."

Gay-rights activists say they are fighting for families, too.

"Anti-gay organizations have tried to attack currently existing protections for gays and lesbians and unmarried couples for a long time," says Camilla Taylor, an attorney for the gay-rights organization Lambda Legal. "They don't want to limit marriage between a man and a woman — they want to attack the protections that exist and make life difficult for non-traditional families."

Most of the 27 state amendments were passed after a 2004 Massachusetts law allowed gay marriage. An additional 17 states passed marriage laws but did not amend their constitutions.
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A Michigan court ruled in February that public employers may not offer benefits to unmarried partners, gay or straight, because of a 2004 amendment defining marriage. Government employers there had offered benefits only to gay couples.

Kalamazoo and the Ann Arbor school district have notified employees that they will end domestic partners' benefits. An appeal is before the state Supreme Court.


can anyone, anywhere, name me something that is any more anti-family than this assault on committed relationships?

don't you feel good, all you "proponents" of "traditional marriage"! you've gotten rid of someone's benefits! you've degraded a relationship! you've quantifiablly HARMED someone!

way to FUCKING go! way to "defend" marriage by hurting people!
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I can't believe people really think they're saving my marriage by denying health benefits to lesbian couples.


Who would Jesus deny health benefits to?
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I guess it's ok in the minds of some people to hurt others and their relationships because they're just not the right kinds of people and/or the right kinds of relationships.

No honestly I can't think of anything that's more anti-family than that kind of assault on committed relationships. Meanwhile all kinds of non-committed relationships (involving adultery and lack of love, abuse, etc. ) between heterosexuals are protected just because they're straight relationships.
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I guess some people get a sick enjoyment out of making other people's lives hell.

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike" (Oscar Wilde)
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Some people are just truly scared of true equality, they need some sense of superiorority. You see it all the time in here. People get up in arms that their religion, their sex, their skin color is being treated the same as others, that scares them.
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Where are our FYM defenders of marriage anyway? The usual right-minded folks haven't weighed in here yet. No one has told us about hating the sin, or how gay marriage will ruin God's country.


Could it be that they've run out of defenses for discriminatory behavior?
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Where are our FYM defenders of marriage anyway? The usual right-minded folks haven't weighed in here yet. No one has told us about hating the sin, or how gay marriage will ruin God's country.


Could it be that they've run out of defenses for discriminatory behavior?


unless we destroy any benefits extended to domestic partners, then churches across the land will be forced to gay marry homosexuals.

government agends, armed to the teeth, will descend on churches every Sunday and fornicating homosexuals will get "married" in front of the believers.

it's religious discrimination, people.
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No, that's not it at all. Gays and lesbians need to realize that they cant have everything their own way.

Marriage is one man and one woman. I dont believe gays should be able to get married or have the same benefits as my mother and father do. If they want to have a "domestic partnership" or whatever it is called, fine. I dont comprehend how you guys saying that someone opposing gay marriage is "anti-family." You're losing me on that.
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Gays and lesbians need to realize that they cant have everything their own way.
Why-straight people can have everything their own way, and then some. A family is love and commitment. You can honestly read that story I posted about the woman who died and her partner and still say they don't deserve the same rights? With all due respect what is so special about your mother and father, why is their love any more equal?
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No, that's not it at all. Gays and lesbians need to realize that they cant have everything their own way.

Marriage is one man and one woman. I dont believe gays should be able to get married or have the same benefits as my mother and father do. If they want to have a "domestic partnership" or whatever it is called, fine. I dont comprehend how you guys saying that someone opposing gay marriage is "anti-family." You're losing me on that.
No, that's exactly what it is. White straight men need to realize they can't have everything their way.

Who defines marriage? The government, and has government not changed definitions and laws throughout time?

The truth is you have nothing to stand on except your own bias and desires. That's it.
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No, that's not it at all. Gays and lesbians need to realize that they cant have everything their own way.

That's what they said about those pesky women and blacks too.
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The truth is you have nothing to stand on except your own bias and desires. That's it.
You know what? You're right. I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle. I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.

Oh, did you hear "marriage" and "family values" are now hate speech? Do some of you in here, namely BVS, anitram, Irvine, Springsteen honestly think this a good thing? Way to go, SP-California.
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You know what? You're right. I totally disagree with the gay lifestyle. I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.
Do you disagree with divorce, racism, ignorance, you let that happen everyday. I don't agree with you and your lifestyle but does that mean I should be allowed to keep you from getting married and procreating?

But I'm glad you finally admit you have nothing to stand on, isn't that difficult to walk through like that?


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Oh, did you hear "marriage" and "family values" are now hate speech? Way to go, SP-California.
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I dont want them getting married and I dont want them changing the meaning of marriage.
How does it change the meaning of marriage? It's been happening in MA and I can assure you that the meaning of straight marriage in MA remains entirely the same. Shocking I know, but it does. Unfortunately it hasn't improved my parents' marriage-but it certainly hasn't made my parents' marriage any worse. They are responsible for that. All married people are responsible for the meaning of their marriages.

I disagree with the straight lifestyle when it includes adultery, abuse and mistreatment, lack of real love, people using people-etc. I can never disagree with the "gay lifestyle" because I can't disagree with who people are born to be.
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