MANDATORY health insurance, part 2

[indra]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

is there anything i can do?

seriously, anyone. any ideas? i'm kind of aghast.

Kind of aghast? I think my eyes came closer to popping out of their sockets than they have in a long time when I read about your premium increases.

I really think the only thing that will have any effect long term is to tell as many people as you can about it. That goes for all of us -- the more people that tell their insurance/health care access woes the less the people and companies against health care reform will be believed when they say "our current system is just fine." If you know 30 people who have such issues you are going to be a whole lot less likely to believe the insurance lobby's bullshit than if you know only one or two people with problems getting/paying for insurance/health care.

It doesn't help you (or me) right now, but it might spur a desperately needed overhaul of the whole system before you go completely broke (I'm already there ).

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

i know this sounds kind of wussy, but can you complain to hr? that's a ridiculous price increase.

i'm a freelancer/permalancer, so i have to buy my own insurance directly from BCBS.

there is no HR to speak of.





where's Canada?

[maycocksean]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

my premium just went up another $50 a month. it's increased by $100 per month since 2007.

That's rough. Is it because of the accident at the swimming pool?

Originally Posted by BVS

And the reason she supported it according to Rush, "because she's a woman".

But all you Rush worshipers don't worry Rush is not sexist, nor is he a racist, or an arrogant asshole.

This guy is willing to say anything.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

That's rough. Is it because of the accident at the swimming pool?

it has to be. i spend thousands out of pocket now covering my various injury-related expenses. like $230 on an inhaler.

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i'm a freelancer/permalancer, so i have to buy my own insurance directly from BCBS.

there is no HR to speak of.

I am self employed and started buying insurance from Blue Cross just this last year. My premium started at $460 a month and within 6 months was bumped to $540 a month.
My policy has a $2400 a year deductible which I had paid out in about 5 months.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Ha. Show me.

Here you go:

Women! Collins Likely to Join Snowe in Support of Obamacare

You've probably become a little desensitized to this and his racist remarks.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by BVS

Here you go:

Women! Collins Likely to Join Snowe in Support of Obamacare

You've probably become a little desensitized to this and his racist remarks.

I read that on his website yesterday, but wasn't sure that was what you're referring to. I still don't see him saying that they voted for it "because they're women"

And no, I recognize real racism (and hypocrisy- see my Olbermann clip) when I see it, and I don't see it listening to Rush. I know people love to paint Rush a racist, as evidenced by the past week or so of people in the "news" saying Rush has made certain statements that he simply has never made.

[BVS]

I'm sorry if you don't see it...

He knew what he was saying, that's why he made the delay joke. It was pretty obvious.

And like I've said before and you haven't even tried defending it, "Magic Negro" one of his most obvious racist on-air moves... yet the right just sweep it under the rug.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by deep

I am self employed and started buying insurance from Blue Cross just this last year. My premium started at $460 a month and within 6 months was bumped to $540 a month.
My policy has a $2400 a year deductible which I had paid out in about 5 months.

wow.

what do other people pay?

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by BVS

And like I've said before and you haven't even tried defending it, "Magic Negro" one of his most obvious racist on-air moves... yet the right just sweep it under the rug.

Tell me what was racist about that. You're ignoring a number of things. First, the song was much more of a knock at Sharpton than it was at Obama. Also, you're aware Rush wasn't the one who first called Obama a "magic negro," right? It was a columnist in LA. Is he a racist? Also, tell me you're aware that neither Rush nor the columnist created the phrase "magic negro," and that you know the phrase is a widely used element of film and literature.

But go on confusing being provocative with hating black people.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Tell me what was racist about that. You're ignoring a number of things. First, the song was much more of a knock at Sharpton than it was at Obama. Also, you're aware Rush wasn't the one who first called Obama a "magic negro," right? It was a columnist in LA. Is he a racist? Also, tell me you're aware that neither Rush nor the columnist created the phrase "magic negro," and that you know the phrase is a widely used element of film and literature.

But go on confusing being provocative with hating black people.

A little insight:

Magical negro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word negro, now considered by many as archaic and offensive, is used intentionally to suggest that the archetype is a racist throwback, an update of the "Sambo" and "savage other" stereotype.

[maycocksean]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I read that on his website yesterday, but wasn't sure that was what you're referring to. I still don't see him saying that they voted for it "because they're women"

And no, I recognize real racism (and hypocrisy- see my Olbermann clip) when I see it, and I don't see it listening to Rush. I know people love to paint Rush a racist, as evidenced by the past week or so of people in the "news" saying Rush has made certain statements that he simply has never made.

Seriously? The title of the article is Women!

How can you not see that he's implying that it's their "female-ness" that's causing them to vote this way. I don't know how he could be any clearer!

You need to cut this guy loose, 2861. . .you're better than this, you're smarter than this, you don't need him cluttering your worldview.

[indra]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

Seriously? The title of the article is Women!

How can you not see that he's implying that it's their "female-ness" that's causing them to vote this way. I don't know how he could be any clearer!

Maybe he meant it in a "women are inherently smarter than men, so of course they voted for this" kind of way.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

Seriously? The title of the article is Women!

How can you not see that he's implying that it's their "female-ness" that's causing them to vote this way. I don't know how he could be any clearer!

You need to cut this guy loose, 2861. . .you're better than this, you're smarter than this, you don't need him cluttering your worldview.

Yeah I honestly don't see how anyone can spin this any other way...

I've just given up.

[BonosSaint]

Even my father, who is a Rush fan, admits he is sexist. "Reporterette, anchorette, authorette"--he makes it clear he is using it as a diminutive. He is consistent in that, I'll give him that. He obviously does not think women stack up to men in almost any regard, particularly intellectually. I don't get angry. He's far too tedious about it. I notice it though.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by BVS

I've just given up.

That makes two of us here.

[BVS]

I just hope others don't follow your footsteps if they do and give up too soon, then the racists and sexist of your movement will win...

[namkcuR]

I feel like we're not nearly angry enough about this.

Over 60% of the country want some form of legitimate public healthcare. Unless the House gets their way, we won't get it.

These insurance companies don't give a shit about anyone's health, if they had their way, they'd continue denying people coverage for any and every reason. They just denied a baby because according to them he was obese which, according to them, is a pre-existing condition. When the media tore them apart, they covered the baby. But even then IT WAS A PR DECISION, NOT A HEALTHCARE DECISION! IT WAS STILL ABOUT PROTECTING PROFIT. Yes, if the proposed bill is signed, it will be illegal to deny people for pre-existing conditions, but that hardly changes the fact that many, many of our elected officials - and I'm talking about Democrats here, Republicans are a lost cause - are still letting this industry, these companies that would rather watch babies be sick than risk losing money, dictate healthcare policy via holding past and future campaign contributions over their heads. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. So many of our elected officials are not making their decisions based on the wishes of their constituents, but based on what will guarantee that their next campaign will be financed. If this isn't the very definition of corrupt government, I don't know what is. Now, is this new? Of course not. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be furious about it.

If that isn't bad enough, the Democratic leaders - Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc - also want to simply 'win' so bad that they're willing to 'win' with a watered down bill. They'd rather make the layup than miss the three.

And I'm sorry, BVS, but I just can't believe that incremental change is the answer. If/when the private healthcare industry is finally put out on its ass, it won't be incremental, it will be a sweeping, dramatic change.

Healthcare reform was supposed to be about giving us more choice. Because the spineless congress has catered to the health insurance industry's wishes, we could end up with a bill that has no public element of any kind, and that forces people who already have health insurance to keep it rather than switch to a better alternative if one becomes available. That sounds like the opposite of 'more choice' to be. The only thing of any significance this bill, if it is signed, will do for us is make it illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions and, frankly, I'm shocked the industry hasn't been screaming and bitching and crying about that to congress in recent weeks.

I just feel like this whole healthcare thing is highlighting and magnifying everything that's work with Washington.

We should be angrier.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by BonosSaint

He is consistent in that, I'll give him that. He obviously does not think women stack up to men in almost any regard, particularly intellectually.

The women that I work with and socialize with and call friends and acquaintances and peers don't stack up to Rush Limbaugh intellectually.

He's lagging way behind.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Them womenfolk should really stop caring about their fellow human beings. And God knows Olympia Snowe can't think for herself and reach an informed and intelligent decision.