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Old 08-17-2011, 05:21 PM   #1001
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On the other hand we do have the money to give wealthy people their Bush tax cuts, grant them all kinds of ridiculous tax loopholes, and countless dollars on various military misadventures in the Middle East.

YEEHAW! Damn straight. Who cares about some abused kids?
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:29 PM   #1002
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Yeah, just let the kids be abused
How does printing money in Washington D.C. prevent child abuse in Jacksonville, Florida? Is there a "child abuse prevented" statistic as phony as the "job saved" number to justify this spending?



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Ummmm, he didn't want to be labeled a hypocrite. Oh well.
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He's not trying to prevent citizens of Florida from buying Cadillac plans. Yeah, he made a hypocritical choice in order to avoid being labeled a hypocrite. That makes sense.

I'm not going to claim that throwing any amount of money at child abuse is going to prevent it, but no one will convince me that those programs don't make a difference. And as for me, I'd rather spend money here on things like that than on dragged out wars, at least one started under false pretenses (that also creates the necessity of spending millions of dollars on veterans, I don't begrudge them one penny of it but it does) while the wealthiest people and corporations get all their perks.
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I'm not going to claim that throwing any amount of money at child abuse is going to prevent it, but no one will convince me that those programs don't make a difference.
Ok, then why not double the federal grant to $104 million. But then surely child abuse will still exist in Florida. Double that to $208 million. I say let's spend $208 million dollars a year to combat the epidemic of Floridian child abuse.

Argue for a penny less and you must hate children.
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By the Florida government's data, 192 children in Florida died from abuse in 2009 (last year for which data is available). The funding would've been used to support an existing home visitation program for designated high-risk children, which was founded on the premise that preventing (further) abuse is far cheaper than covering the costs of foster care and medical treatment after the fact. That's not an argument for spending money we don't have, it's an argument for understanding what programs being cut (child welfare, defense, whatever) actually consist of so that we can reasonably claim to have considered their value to the public good when deciding where and how much to cut.





Aaaaaaaand time to start a new thread, so...
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