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Old 08-12-2011, 04:13 PM   #981
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Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare mandate - Yahoo!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's healthcare law suffered a setback Friday when a U.S. appeals court ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty.

The Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta, found that Congress exceeded its authority by requiring Americans to buy coverage, but also reversed a lower court decision that threw out the entire healthcare law.

"This economic mandate represents a wholly novel and potentially unbounded assertion of congressional authority: the ability to compel Americans to purchase an expensive health insurance product they have elected not to buy, and to make them re-purchase that insurance product every month for their entire lives," the majority said in its opinion.
After this week I wonder what the president's comfort food is?
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Interesting how you're not crowing about activist judges when you agree with a decision...
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:35 PM   #983
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Interesting how you're not crowing about activist judges when you agree with a decision...
It appears these judges actually read the Constitution. I know... who does that?

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“We have not found any generally applicable, judicially enforceable limiting principle that would permit us to uphold the mandate without obliterating the boundaries inherent in the system of enumerated congressional powers”
And you know what they say about powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution:

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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Of course I speak of the actual Constitution, not the "living Constitution" which liberal judges pull rights out of like rabbits from a hat.
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It appears these judges actually read interpret the Constitution. I know... who does that?
Fixed that for you.
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:38 PM   #985
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Fixed that for you.
No fix necessary.

Article 5 spells out the requirements to amend the Constitution.
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There's that INDY consistency again
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The enemy of the insurance industry is confidence. Fear from people, on the other hand, is what keeps them in business. If everybody would quit their fear of not having health insurance (and quit their current policy also), the health insurance industry would collapse and it would bring remarkable and potential benefits for many people who either don't have insurance or pay too much for it.

This same scenario would apply to any sphere of insurance, whether it is auto, rental, homeowner's, etc.
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If everybody would quit their fear of not having health insurance (and quit their current policy also), the health insurance industry would collapse and it would bring remarkable and potential benefits for many people who either don't have insurance or pay too much for it.
Explain to us how this would bring "remarkable benefits".
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A better question is...anyone, offer a Constitutional argument for this mandate.
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The Constitution connects itself to the Declaration of Independence which defines certain unalieable rights, the first one being "life". I can't think of anything more important to life, than proper healthcare.
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While Cutting Health Care For The Poor, Gov. Scott Pays Less Than $400 A Year For Taxpayer-Subsized Health Insurance | ThinkProgress

By Marie Diamond on Aug 10, 2011

After relentlessly campaigning to abolish health care reform, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has taken every opportunity to slash health care coverage for the poor, elderly, and disabled. Since taking office in January, Scott has enacted a landmark Medicaid privatization scheme, rejected millions in federal health aid for seniors, children, and the disabled, and even turned down $52 million in federal funding to fight child abuse.

Scott is a former private health industry executive who made his fortune downsizing hospitals for profit. He clearly has no problem making low-income Floridians pay more for basic health services. Yet when it comes to his own health insurance, Scott is only too happy to take advantage of a plan that lets him pay less than $400 a year — courtesy of taxpayers:

Gov. Rick Scott, a critic of the federal health care overhaul, is paying less than $400 a year for health insurance for himself and his wife.

While Scott is accepting no salary for his job as governor, the multimillionaire and former hospital chain executive chose to enroll in the taxpayer-subsidized health insurance plan offered by the state of Florida.

Scott is among nearly 32,000 people in state government who pay relatively low health insurance premiums. It’s a perk that is available to high-ranking state officials, including those in top management at all state agencies.

Nearly all 160 state legislators are also enrolled in the program that costs just $8.34 a month for individual coverage and $30 a month for family coverage.

In contrast, rank-and-file state workers pay $50 a month for individual coverage and $180 a month for family coverage. In 2010, the average American family with employer coverage paid $13,770 for health insurance. Florida also has one of the highest uninsured rates in the nation.

A Scott spokesman refused to comment on the governor’s exclusive, taxpayer-funded health care plan, calling it a “private matter.”

State Sen. Nan Rich (D) says it’s unfortunate that the governor is taking advantage of this plan while fighting to keep other Floridians from getting access to health insurance coverage. “I wish every Floridian had the same opportunity,” she said.
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Is hypocrisy mandatory now for the tea party?
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A Scott spokesman refused to comment on the governor’s exclusive, taxpayer-funded health care plan, calling it a “private matter.”
Um, no it's not.
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People should stop their lazy whining and work hard enough to become high-ranking state officials like Gov. Scott if they want good cheap healthcare.




The Daily Beast, Aug. 16 (Michael Tomasky)
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Last Friday’s decision by a three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, holding the individual mandate portion of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) unconstitutional, will almost surely force a Supreme Court decision next year, many legal analysts believe. So, bam, right in the middle of a presidential election, we’ll have the biggest and most political high-court decision since Bush v. Gore—and one with far greater destructive potential as precedent. The standard liberal position is to fear that the court will overturn the ACA. Sure, I fear that. But I also fear the political consequences on next year’s election of the court upholding it and worry that those consequences could be even worse for the progressive cause.
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Consider an announcement from the Supreme Court next May or June that a 5-4 majority, including the four liberals and Anthony Kennedy, has upheld the ACA. What happens? The administration breathes a sigh of relief. But who actually celebrates? Not many people. Liberals are generally ambivalent about the act and always have been. Meanwhile, who is infuriated? Millions of conservatives. “Obamacare” becomes a hot-button issue all over again. If you think conservatives can’t get any angrier than they already are, well, you and I have been watching very different conservative moments these last few years...a court-imposed “socialistic” outcome, forced on decent, freedom-loving Americans by four liberals and that sodomy-endorsing Kennedy, is a pretty big something.
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I would think the hypocrisy would be if he DIDN"T take public health insurance at the same time he was cutting it. If you don't believe me substitute health care with public schools.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has taken every opportunity to slash public school budgets while sending his kids to private schools.

That would be somewhat hypocritical I think.

What this does illustrate is exactly what governors in Wisconson, Indiana, New York and New Jersey have been saying since taking office. Public employee benefits must be reformed or state budgets are going to explode. It simply isn't fair to ask middle class taxpayers to pay such a large percentage of the health care costs for government employees.

The outrage isn't that the Florida governor is paying so little for his health care it's that there are 32,000 other government workers--just in Florida--with the similar perk.

PS Think Progress is a liberal slime machine so I would expect them to cover this an example of GOP hypocrisy rather than that of government largess.
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Not wanting everyone else to have the very thing that you take full advantage of is hypocrisy, plain and simple. Don't see how it's any different from the school thing-Gov. Christie does that and he said it's a private matter (like he told that citizen who asked him, it's none of your damn business or something to that effect).

Come on, the guy even turned down all that money to fight child abuse. WTF?
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Not wanting everyone else to have the very thing that you take full advantage of is hypocrisy, plain and simple. Don't see how it's any different from the school thing-Gov. Christie does that and he said it's a private matter (like he told that citizen who asked him, it's none of your damn business or something to that effect).
If he was "slashing" public spending on health while he and his family enjoyed a lavish, private, platinum-plated Cadillac health care plan... what would Think Progress call that?


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Come on, the guy even turned down all that money to fight child abuse. WTF?
Why is the federal government sending tens of millions of dollars to Florida, and presumably the other 49 states, to fight child abuse?

We... don't... have... the... money !!!
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Yeah, just let the kids be abused

I'm sure the subsidized health care plan must be pretty good, or why wouldn't he just buy a Cadillac plan?
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Wow INDY your example really shows that you don't understand this topic at all.

He is not losing coverage by making these cuts so your public school metaphor doesn't work.
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We... don't... have... the... money !!!
On the other hand we do have the money to give wealthy people their Bush tax cuts, grant them all kinds of ridiculous tax loopholes, and countless dollars on various military misadventures in the Middle East.
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