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Old 10-03-2009, 11:52 PM   #81
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Seems like we're getting closer to mandatory insurance, not free health care.

Medical premiums could still be a 'heavy lift' - Yahoo! News
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after paying $230 for an inhaler today, i really want my public fucking option.



and, yes, i am totally insured -- that's more than my premium.



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but if i need a certain inhaler, and i do, and my doctor prescribes it for me, and he does, then i'm stuck with the $230.

it's not like i can just go without it or comparison shop and find a nicer color.
I understand your frustration and anger, really I do as I deal with it daily. It's why no one in health care is saying reform is not necessary. But believe it or not the problem CAN be made worse with the wrong reform. So let's not do that just to say we did something.

PS, be sure and check with your insurance to see if there is a formulary, bioequivalent or alternative drug they WILL pay for.
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I understand your frustration and anger, really I do as I deal with it daily. It's why no one in health care is saying reform is not necessary. But believe it or not the problem CAN be made worse with the wrong reform. So let's not do that just to say we did something.

PS, be sure and check with your insurance to see if there is a formulary, bioequivalent or alternative drug they WILL pay for.


i agree on the above point, but i think that's pretty vague. we all want the right reform, i just don't see any alternatives being put forth by the GOP. the point seems to be the make health care "Obama's Waterloo" as they wanted, and to a degree, they have succeeded.

i do need to call my insurance company. it's my usual inhaler, i am baffled as to why the cost has skyrocketed.

but i'm lucky. yes, it sucks to pay $230, but i do have the money to cover that. i don't know what other people do.
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i agree on the above point, but i think that's pretty vague. we all want the right reform, i just don't see any alternatives being put forth by the GOP. the point seems to be the make health care "Obama's Waterloo" as they wanted, and to a degree, they have succeeded.
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Seems like we're getting closer to mandatory insurance, not free health care.

Medical premiums could still be a 'heavy lift' - Yahoo! News
Sad, but I think you're probably right. My prediction is everyone gets coverage of some sort (the mandated part will make it through--in insurance company lobbyists will see to that). The gov. will be forced to pick up the tab for those that can't afford to buy their own. In the end it will costs the taxpayers more, health care costs in general will not decrease, the Republicans will blame Obama (as if THIS was what he wanted all along) and hope to coast that blame back into the majority in next years elections?

Who wins? Nobody. Well except for the insurance companies.
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Seems like we're getting closer to mandatory insurance, not free health care.

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Under the Baucus bill, a family of four making $63,000 would have to pay 11 percent of its income for health insurance, according to Kaiser.
how does a family of four get by on $63,000 to begin with?
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Well except for the insurance companies.
Isn't that what the tea partiers always wanted?
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Dad’s Life or Yours? You Choose

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

So what would you do if your mom or dad, or perhaps your sister or brother, needed a kidney donation and you were the one best positioned to donate?

Most of us would worry a little and then step forward. But not so fast. Because of our dysfunctional health insurance system, a disgrace that nearly half of all members of Congress seem determined to cling to, stepping up to save a loved one can ruin your own chance of ever getting health insurance.

That wrenching trade-off is another reminder of the moral bankruptcy of our existing insurance system. It’s one more reason to pass robust reform this year.

Over the last week I’ve been speaking to David Waddington, a 58-year-old wine retailer in Dallas, along with his wife and two sons. I’d love to know what the opponents of health reform think families like this should do.

Mr. Waddington has polycystic kidney disease, or PKD, a genetic disorder that leads to kidney failure. First he lost one kidney, and then the other. A year ago, he was on dialysis and desperately needed a new kidney. Doctors explained that the best match — the one least likely to be rejected — would perhaps come from Travis or Michael, his two sons, then ages 29 and 27.

Travis and Michael each had a 50 percent chance of inheriting PKD. And if pre-donation testing revealed that one of them had the disorder, that brother might never be able to get health insurance. As a result, their doctors had advised not getting tested. After all, new research suggests that lack of insurance increases a working-age person’s risk of dying in any given year by 40 percent.

“At the time David needed a transplant, the people closest to him couldn’t even offer a lifesaving donation — for insurance reasons,” said Mr. Waddington’s wife, Susan.

Travis, who is living in New York and working toward a math doctorate, is anguished at having to weigh insurance obstacles against the chance to save his dad.

“Can you put a price on your father’s life?” he asked. “My brother and I talked it over privately, and agreed that we should both go ahead and get tested anyway. It seemed like the only course of action. We presented our plan to our parents, and of course Mom immediately shot it down, with Dad firmly behind her.

“We had to respect their right to want to protect us. But it was enraging to be in that situation, and to be completely impotent to do anything to help. I told myself a number of times that we would reconsider the issue of testing if Dad’s dialysis stopped working before he got a transplant.”

David Waddington finally got that transplant when a kidney from a deceased donor became available. But our insurance system has had other excruciating consequences for the Waddingtons. Though PKD has no cure as such, there are experimental medications that may delay kidney problems. To get access to the medications, a patient must be tested — and since Travis and Michael Waddington don’t dare get tested, they don’t have access to these medications.

“The only way to do it is to lie about your name during testing, to use a fictitious name,” Susan Waddington said. “That was the advice we got from a major person in the field. We didn’t do that.”

The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, passed last year, should eventually help people get access to health insurance even if they have a genetic predisposition to a disease. But insurance companies will still be free to discriminate against people who show symptoms of those diseases.

That’s what’s happening now with Michael. For years, he and Travis were afraid to mention to physicians their 50 percent chance of inheriting PKD, but recently Michael began suffering pains and went to the emergency room. After examining him and ordering tests, the doctor asked him, “Have you ever heard of PKD?”

“I felt the jig was up, and I could disclose my knowledge,” Michael said, so he told the doctor about his father.

The broader problem is this: Our broken system leads Americans to spend 16 percent of our national income on health care, twice as much as in parts of Europe, yet with maternal mortality rates and child mortality rates twice those of the best-performing countries. Lack of insurance is linked to nearly 45,000 unnecessary deaths a year, according to a peer-reviewed study to be published in the December issue of The American Journal of Public Health.

None of this seems to move members of Congress who oppose health reform. They have first-rate health care for themselves and so perhaps don’t appreciate how their posturing forces people like the Waddingtons into impossible situations. Let’s hope they find it in their hearts to overhaul an existing insurance system that is the disgrace of the industrialized world.
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fuck the insurance companies. FUCK 'em.

'dem greedy muddaskunt.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...EeRQbxCC0TNZHN

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White House's botched 'op'

By CHARLES HURT, Post Correspondent

WASHINGTON -- President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet -- and handed out doctors' white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

In a heavy-handed attempt at reviving support for health-care reform, the White House orchestrated a massive photo op to buttress its claim that front-line physicians support Obama.

A sea of 150 white-coated doctors, all enthusiastically supportive of the president and representing all 50 states, looked as if they were at a costume party as they posed in the Rose Garden before hearing Obama's pitch for the Democratic overhaul bills moving through Congress.

The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.

But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses.

So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.

All this to provide a visual counter to complaints from other doctors that pending legislation is bad news for the medical profession.


But opposition to Obamacare is "orchestrated" and "astro-turfed" right?
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Newsflash: Presidents engage in corny photo ops!

If we all thought Obama was a god like you're always implying we do, INDY, then yes this would be shock. But guess what we know he's still a politician and not a diety.
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I think this was taken after Saddam was removed from power, the mission in Iraq.
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I think this was taken after Saddam was removed from power, the mission in Iraq.


too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
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too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
that's what i was thinking.

well, that and the fact that it looks like he's about to sneeze in that photo.
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too bad that 98% of the casualties in Iraq happened after this wonderful mission was apparently accomplished.
Why is it too bad? No one said they wouldn't. The mission was accomplished though.
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Why is it too bad? No one said they wouldn't. The mission was accomplished though.

and no one said the war would drag on indefinitely and be marked by 100,000+ civilian deaths. but that happened.

if you want to cherry pick a super-narrow definition of mission that's politically convenient for the time, that's fine.

you'll note that bush never said "mission accomplished" in the speech, and that's because Rumsfeld, of all people, cut it out of the original text.

what happened after said mission was or was not accomplished is now a tragedy for history.
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