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Old 03-21-2010, 06:49 PM   #341
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I would think they are all on salary.
I think they still get paid extra for weekend sessions.
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[QUOTE=Bluer White;6701282]What's being accomplished is another unfunded entitlement.QUOTE]

God forbid, now - anyone in the future won't be denied health care because they are unemployed or have run into financial hardship, or illness.
My brother died waiting on approval from medicaid so he could see a liver specialist.
The week after he died, (2 years after he was first diagnosed) he received a letter stating he would receive SSI, which we didn't care so much about because we were paying for his doctors anyway, but we did care about the medicaid. They were going to review it for 6 months and give a decision. Their delay caused my brother more pain than he should have had to have in his final days.


Edited to say: don't know what I did wrong in the quote, but what the f***.
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They are on an annual salary.

US Congress Salaries and Benefits – Salaries and Benefits of US Congress Members
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:53 PM   #344
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What's being accomplished is another unfunded entitlement, and it's forever.
Life is just another entitlement
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I think they still get paid extra for weekend sessions.
Which wouldn't surprise me at all.
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I think they still get paid extra for weekend sessions.
They really don't, but as has been mentioned, there are other costs associated with weekend sessions.
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Oh by the way, tacked onto the bill is the provision to completely nationalize the student loan program.

[sarcasm alert] Exactly the type of private enterprise, free-market-driven solution we've come to expect from this president and his radically pro-capitalist agenda.
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Oh by the way, tacked onto the bill is the provision to completely nationalize the student loan program.
It wasn't already?
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Have you even looked into how the student loan business is run now?

Who is benefiting? What will the change do?
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Oh by the way, tacked onto the bill is the provision to completely nationalize the student loan program.

[sarcasm alert]
Exactly the type of free-market solution we've come to expect from the president and his radically pro-capitalist agenda.
Don't worry Indy, the $200+ billion doc fix will be taken up separate of the health care bill in a few weeks. Because the doc fix isn't relevant to health care, but student loans are somehow
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Washington -- Sensing victory, President Barack Obama is planning to make a statement to the nation tonight after the House takes its final vote on health care legislation.

The White House announced late this afternoon Obama would speak from the East Room in the evening, with the timing to be determined.

The announcement was another signal that Obama was confident that Democrats have the votes to pass the legislation at the center of his domestic agenda.

From The Detroit News: Obama plans health care statement tonight | detnews.com | The Detroit News
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Finally, fired up and ready to go!

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I've watched most of this debate on C-Span today.

There are a couple of real fringe, whack jobs in Congress. pandering to the paranoid masses out there.
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Have you even looked into how the student loan business is run now?
Here's what I can safely say.

1) Democrats don't want to debate the issue on its merits, hence the piggyback.

2) Since it's all one bill, the student loan savings get scored by the CBO as health care savings. Another example of the fiscal smoke & mirrors being employed by the Democrats.
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Who is benefiting?
3) It will take jobs from private banks and replace them with public sector union jobs. So SEIU and Democratic politicians benefit.
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What will the change do?
4) My fear is, this new centralized power will prove to be too great of a temptation for the micro-managers, diversity bean-counters and social engineers in Washington D.C.
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My brother died waiting on approval from medicaid so he could see a liver specialist.
The week after he died, (2 years after he was first diagnosed) he received a letter stating he would receive SSI, which we didn't care so much about because we were paying for his doctors anyway, but we did care about the medicaid. They were going to review it for 6 months and give a decision. Their delay caused my brother more pain than he should have had to have in his final days.
I can't say how sorry I am for your family and your brother, sue, I just can't on an internet forum. Your brother's Medicaid wait time would not have been shortened under this bill.
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Your brother's Medicaid wait time would not have been shortened under this bill.
This is impossible to say with any kind of certainty.
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I've watched most of this debate on C-Span today.

There are a couple of real fringe, whack jobs in Congress. pandering to the paranoid masses out there.
Crap, did I miss Alan Grayson come unhinged?

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Here's what I can safely say.

1) Democrats don't want to debate the issue on its merits, hence the piggyback.

2) Since it's all one bill, the student loan savings get scored by the CBO as health care savings. Another example of the fiscal smoke & mirrors being employed by the Democrats.

3) It will take jobs from private banks and replace them with public sector union jobs. So SEIU and Democratic politicians benefit.

4) My fear is, this new centralized power will prove to be too great of a temptation for the micro-managers, diversity bean-counters and social engineers in Washington D.C.

Thanks for the reply.

I do see (some of) your points.

I don't have the same concerns that you do. But FYM should be about sharing different points of view. There is no need to reach a consensus. (that some speak about.)
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Pelosi now goes down in history as one of the great House Speakers.

She pulled this out, when many wanted to give up play small ball, with a series of non-controversial consensus bills.
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What's being accomplished is another unfunded entitlement, and it's forever.
Do you think that the bill would be different had Republicans approached the health care table willing to negotiate in good faith? Or rather, had the Republicans negotiated in good faith instead of trying to sink the bill at all costs, do you think that a reform bill could have been passed that offered a more palatable compromise for conservatives?
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I'm getting all giddy about this vote! I'm so happy for Americans without good health insurance.
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