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Old 11-12-2009, 03:34 PM   #201
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The more I talk to Republicans the more I think they may define "crisis" differently, if it doesn't effect them directly, it's not a crisis.
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INDY has been all over this...and I still don't understand why opening up private competition across state lines isn't in a bill.

And no serious attempt at tort reform, even if you assume it wouldn't save "enough" money. Even as an olive branch to get something passed. Nope.


These are 'free' measures we could take, and the House bill chose not to do it.
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INDY has been all over this...and I still don't understand why opening up private competition across state lines isn't in a bill.

And no serious attempt at tort reform, even if you assume it wouldn't save "enough" money. Even as an olive branch to get something passed. Nope.
I've talked about both of these:

The reason you don't have insurance being sold over state lines is that well the insurance companies that so many are defending these days don't want it, and the reason they don't want it is that it would be a nightmare for them. Here's the example I always give because it was the industry that I worked for, but there are plenty of other examples. The definition of 'Podiatry' differs from state to state; some states it goes up to the knee, some ankle, and other it's only the mid and forefoot. So the coding is different, the billing is different and no one has found a way to deal with this, some of the big companies that deal with national companies have logistical nightmares with these disciplines that are so differently defined over state lines. They'll have an Ohio branch where all there employees have to get supplimental insurance for there dermatology, podiatry, etc needs becuase there insurance just says we cannot cover these disciplines in that state.

As far as tort reform, it doesn't belong in healthcare reform. Period. It's a completely seperate issue, that definately needs to be tackled but you can't just tackle the medical aspect of it while not effecting other aspects of the law.
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Now only 38% of Americans in favor of Obama Care.

Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports™

just sayin.
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^ That's really a shame. Only 38% of the country aren't stupid ignorant anti-government racist Glenn Beck worshippers.
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I think the more interesting poll would be how many understand the reform, and out of those, how many still don't support it?
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I think the more interesting poll would be how many understand the reform, and out of those, how many still don't support it?
Also, what do the remaining 62% prefer?
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Also, what do the remaining 62% prefer?
Well they hate collectivism, they don't like false competition, they don't like being denied due to pre-existing conditions, and they don't like being told which doctors then need to use...

UNLESS it's by an insurance company. They love getting screwed by insurance companies, they love that insurance companies run medicine, because when you're getting screwed for someone else's profit... that's called freedom.
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I came across this page by chance, and wanted to share it here. It has some really interesting stories about Canadian health care experiences, told by Americans living in Canada. I only intended to watch one or two videos, but ended up watching all seven of them. The health care I experience here is all I know, just like Americans who have always lived in the US are only familiar with their system. The people in these videos offer a unique perspective, having experienced both systems.

Despite the heated debates I've had in this thread at times, I do understand that change can be scary, and so many people would prefer to hold onto the status quo, even if it's ultimately not the best thing for them. Anyway, I hope some of you will take the time to watch them.

Health Care Stories from Americans in Canada: Your Canadian Health Care Stories
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C-Span's Lamb: Obama used us as a political football
By: David Freddoso
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C-Span CEO Brian Lamb told Bill Press on his radio show this morning that C-Span would not be doing anything further to push for coverage of health care negotiations. However, he expressed clear disappointment in the White House's attitude toward transparency in negotiations:

"We are an independent journalistic institution, and the president, when he was a candidate, had no right to assume that we would cover anything. That was the first thing. We were used as kind of a political football during the campaign. We obviously would cover these negotiations. The only time we've been allowed to cover the White House part of it is one hour inside the East Room, which was just a show-horse type of thing...

"The American people pay for all of this that goes on in this town. It's always been my contention...that if we pay for something, and it's the public's business, we ought to be able to see how it's done. It's just that simple, it has nothing to do with this particular fight right now."

Obama's promise on the openness of health care negotiations from August 2008 was quite clear:

"We'll have the negotiations televised on C-Span, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies."

Now that the insurance industry and the drug industry are on board with Obama's version of health care reform, and Americans stand to see their insurance premiums increased or even directly taxed by it, it's interesting to see this promise evaporate now.


At least he never said "read my lips..."
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At least he never said "read my lips..."
Or "I don't believe in nation building".
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Big deal, it was just a campaign promise.

Like "If you like your current insurance you can keep it."

And "If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime."

No biggie.
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Like "If you like your current insurance you can keep it."

And "If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime."

No biggie.
When did these two change?
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Let me guess, 58% of Americans are stupid, racist or both.
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I disapprove, but I support what he wants to achieve...

You always forget that demographic.
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Three ways healthcare reform could pass even if Coakley loses
By Peter Grier Mon Jan 18, 12:25 pm ET

Washington – It’s an extraordinary political situation: The fate of healthcare reform now may be determined by the outcome of Tuesday’s Senate election in Massachusetts.

If Republican Scott Brown beats Democrat Martha Coakley in the special ballot to fill the late Sen. Edward Kennedy’s seat, as now seems possible, the GOP would have 41 Senate votes. That would be enough to block final passage of the House-Senate compromise on healthcare legislation that Democratic lawmakers are now negotiating under President Obama’s oversight.

If this happens, Democrats basically have three options:

1. TALK FASTER. House and Senate Democratic leaders could cobble together a final package at a more rapid pace and push it through both legislative chambers before the new Senator Brown is seated.

Pros: This would enable Democrats to settle their differences in the manner they had originally planned. Liberal House members would get their chance to move the final legislation leftward from the Senate’s more conservative version.

Cons: This method could also make Mr. Obama and other Democratic party leaders look as if they are thwarting the will of the people – specifically, the will of the people of Massachusetts – by acting before the new senator is sworn in. And Republicans might sue. Conservative commentator Fred Barnes, editor of the magazine the Weekly Standard, opined over the weekend that the current placeholder in the Massachusetts Senate seat, Democrat Paul Kirk, will legally lose his ability to vote the moment election returns are final.

2. BYPASS THE SENATE. House-Senate conferees could also simply agree to adopt the Senate’s version of healthcare legislation. The House would have to vote to approve this move, but the Senate would not, since the House would be considering the exact version of a bill Senators have already passed.

Pros: By bypassing another Senate vote, Democrats would avoid a scenario in which a new Senator Brown helps filibuster healthcare reform into oblivion. Plus, the White House prefers the Senate version of the legislation, anyway.

Cons: This could be described as another thwarting-the-people move – and one that looks a bit trickier than the “Talk Faster” option. Also, House members would be very unhappy about having to swallow the Senate bill, and could even vote the whole thing down.

3. RECONCILIATION. Obama and Democratic leaders could also junk months of work and start over with a stripped-down version of healthcare reform. Using "reconciliation" – a Senate maneuver designed for passing crucial budget items without a filibuster – a narrow, more budget-focused approach might need only 50 votes to get through the Senate.

Pros: Democratic leaders might look like they were heeding the will of the people. Lots of nervous moderate Democrats would prefer a less-ambitious healthcare bill, anyway.

Cons: The “reconciliation” approach is extremely controversial and complicated. It involves breaking the healthcare bill into many pieces and proving that each would trim the deficit. Using reconciliation on non-budget bills has been called the "nuclear option" because of the ill-will and partisanship it generates in the Senate. It would be subject to GOP attack at every turn. Moreover, President Obama would find it difficult to sell the result as the sort of healthcare reform worthy of being the defining domestic achievement of his first years in office.

None of these options are particularly good ones, notes one veteran Washington political expert.

“They’re too artificial,” says Stephen Hess, a political analyst at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Democratic leaders should not manipulate the legislative process to get healthcare reform through, according to Mr. Hess. He suggests another option: if the Massachusetts seat does go to the Republicans, the Obama administration should redouble efforts to try and get Sen. Olympia Snowe (R) of Maine to vote for the finished healthcare effort.
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Let me guess, 58% of Americans are stupid, racist or both.
I'd say it's probably higher than that.
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Very similar stories, could have been prevented if certain idiots hadn't gotten in the way and lives would have been saved if the disaster were avoided.

Very insightful.
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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is asking the largest for-profit health insurer in California to "provide a detailed justification" for expected rate increases that could hike its consumers' premiums as much as 39 percent.

In a letter to Leslie Margolin, president of Anthem Blue Cross, Sebelius struck a harsh tone about the expected rate hike, which was reported this past weekend by the California press. Calling the expected 39-percent rate increases "extraordinary" and noting that they were "up to 15 times faster than inflation," the HHS Secretary asked for a detailed synopsis of how much of that money would go to medical care versus administrative costs.

"Your company's strong financial position makes these rate increases even more difficult to understand. As you know, your parent company, WellPoint Incorporated, has seen its profits soar, earning $2.7 billion in the last quarter of 2009 alone," Sebelius wrote.

"I believe Anthem Blue Cross has a responsibility to provide a detailed justification for these rate increases to the public," she added. "Policy holders in the individual market deserve to know if their premium increases would be invested in better medical care or insurance company overhead costs like salaries, profits, and advertising."

An official with HHS said that, as of early Monday afternoon, no response has yet been received. Sebelius did mention the reported rate hike during a speech before the Health Affair's National Health Policy Conference on Monday.

On Friday, the Los Angeles Times reported that many of Anthem's "approximately 800,000 customers who buy individual coverage" could see the price of their plans go up starting on March 1 -- some by as much as 39 percent. People with group coverage aren't affected.

February 8, 2010

Leslie Margolin
President, Anthem Blue Cross
Delivered Via Fax

Dear Ms. Margolin,

One of the biggest pressures facing families, businesses and governments at every level are skyrocketing health insurance costs. With so many families already affected by rising costs, I was very disturbed to learn through media accounts that Anthem Blue Cross plans to raise premiums for its California customers by as much as 39 percent. These extraordinary increases are up to 15 times faster than inflation and threaten to make health care unaffordable for hundreds of thousands of Californians, many of whom are already struggling to make ends meet in a difficult economy.

Your company's strong financial position makes these rate increases even more difficult to understand. As you know, your parent company, WellPoint Incorporated, has seen its profits soar, earning $2.7 billion in the last quarter of 2009 alone.

I believe Anthem Blue Cross has a responsibility to provide a detailed justification for these rate increases to the public. Additionally, you should make public information on the percent of your individual market premiums that is used for medical care versus the percent that is used for administrative costs. Policy holders in the individual market deserve to know if their premium increases would be invested in better medical care or insurance company overhead costs like salaries, profits, and advertising. I am aware that the State of California is investigating this matter, and urge Anthem Blue Cross to cooperate fully. In the meantime, I will be closely monitoring the situation.

At a time when health care costs are a critical threat to families as well as the nation's economy, I hope you appreciate the urgent nature of this request. I look forward to your prompt reply.

Sincerely,

Kathleen Sebelius
Secretary of Health and Human Services
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