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Old 09-02-2009, 10:11 PM   #781
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The responsible person would have short and long term disability insurance.
Right, the responsible lower class that can't afford it will sure be running out first to get long-term disability insurance rather than feeding their kids. Sort of how they do with insurance right now.

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I should think premiums would be adjusted (within restrictions), up or down, according to health and age. Again, just like car insurance being higher for young males than other segments of the population.
That's a fantastic idea. First thing that you should do if you take this position is increase the premiums of every overweight and obese person through the roof. Then you deal with the smokers the same way. Given how many of you are fat, this should be quite a financial BONANZA.
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That's a fantastic idea. First thing that you should do if you take this position is increase the premiums of every overweight and obese person through the roof. Then you deal with the smokers the same way. Given how many of you are fat, this should be quite a financial BONANZA.


perhaps we can sort people by region as well. the South and the Midwest are much fatter than the coasts, so that seems to be a good place to start.
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perhaps we can sort people by region as well. the South and the Midwest are much fatter than the coasts, so that seems to be a good place to start.
Yeah and then take a good look at just how much blacks are spending on hypertension related problems. Next we get the Jews with the Tay-Sachs gene.

There's so much money to be made.
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Yeah and then take a good look at just how much blacks are spending on hypertension related problems.


not just the blacks. white men in the midwest, too.

and people with HIV should have to purchase each pill at an insane markup. that would be quite a deterrent!
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Obama would have better luck tomorrow pushing an across the board gun ban alongside a Bible burning day in the US than anyone here would have in ditching our Medicare system.
Rather the point. Once you set up one of these behemoths of a program they can't, no matter how expensive or inefficient they become, be undone can they?
You'd think in this country we'd have learned our lesson with Medicare, the Dept of Education, and Social Security. Or (sorry) looking across the ocean.
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and people with HIV should have to purchase each pill at an insane markup. that would be quite a deterrent!
If they were responsible they wouldn't have had all that sex. And they probably enjoyed it too.
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Next we get the Jews with the Tay-Sachs gene.
We'll have an official statement on this tomorrow.
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Or (sorry) looking across the ocean.


and it's precisely this quality missing among so many Americans that makes me despair.

it could be that, somewhere, at least once, there was a good idea, policy, or even political leader, who wasn't an American.
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If they were responsible they wouldn't have had all that sex. And they probably enjoyed it too.


they probably enjoyed getting the HIV, because they knew someone else would be picking up the tab.
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That's a fantastic idea. First thing that you should do if you take this position is increase the premiums of every overweight and obese person through the roof. Then you deal with the smokers the same way. Given how many of you are fat, this should be quite a financial BONANZA.
Only a strange idea unless you feel individuals have zero responsibly for their own health and every expectation that someone else will financially provide for their health care.

Isn't it fair and logical that XXXL jeans cost more than small jeans? Doesn't that just make sense? Not "through the roof" different but enough to cover the extra fabric.

Shouldn't airlines be able to charge slightly more for an obese traveler? Again, only makes sense.

Ah, but jeans and airline tickets aren't a "right" whereas healthcare is. Right?
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this actually sums it all up. it's kind of amazing. seriously.

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Only a strange idea unless you feel individuals have zero responsibly for their own health and every expectation that someone else will financially provide for their health care.



poor people gotta stop getting hit by buses, or having kids with leukemia.
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Only a strange idea unless you feel individuals have zero responsibly for their own health and every expectation that someone else will financially provide for their health care.

Isn't it fair and logical that XXXL jeans cost more than small jeans? Doesn't that just make sense? Not "through the roof" different but enough to cover the extra fabric.

Shouldn't airlines be able to charge slightly more for an obese traveler? Again, only makes sense.

Ah, but jeans and airline tickets aren't a "right" whereas healthcare is. Right?
Should one charge more for education to dumb folks?

Bigger the sinner, bigger the tithe?
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Wow...

That does sum it up.

Blank stares and "shh"...

When you can't answer turn to the regurgitated lie: "death panels".

When will you all wake up? When you're dying?
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Should one charge more for education to dumb folks?

Bigger the sinner, bigger the tithe?
Gee I hope not. That might lead to something really crazy like a progressive tax system or something. Naaaaaa, that would never fly.
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Only a strange idea unless you feel individuals have zero responsibly for their own health and every expectation that someone else will financially provide for their health care.

You keep assuming two things:

1. That people will be able to afford this health insurance. Which, if they could, they'd be doing it right now and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and

2. That the God-like private insurance companies would suddenly wake up and not limit pre-existing conditions and actually allow people to purchase health insurance and then not cancel it when they get sick and really need it.


I don't expect you to address these concerns because they don't play into your free market and "personal responsibility" fantasies, but I thought I'd bring them up.
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Gee I hope not. That might lead to something really crazy like a progressive tax system or something. Naaaaaa, that would never fly.
But what about your common sense rule? Personal responsibilty?

But boob jobs and healthcare are equal in your eyes?

Your priorities all over the place...

Your grasp on healthcare is far reaching.
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you pay for flu shots, you pay for stitches when you slice your thumb and should you suffer a heart attack or some other catastrophic illness you would pay up to your deductible. Like other insurance lower deductible = higher premiums.
But how many people who can't afford comprehensive coverage do you suppose are going to fork over for non-criticals like flu shots in the first place? Routine preventive care is the first casualty of that sort of model. I'm certain I wouldn't have wound up getting diagnosed with the genetic disorder I have as early in the symptomatic stage as I did, had I not been fortunate enough to have excellent comprehensive coverage (perk of working for a large university) by that point in time. Because my symptoms didn't seem particularly serious, they were annoying rather than disabling or painful, and besides, I was still 'young and healthy' (so far as anyone knew at the time), so why spend money we didn't have getting them checked out? Of course, even if I had gone ahead and paid out-of-pocket to have them checked out (which, in fact, by the end of the process would've easily met a high deductible--the MRIs, neurological workups etc.), then I'd still have been screwed once the diagnosis was made, because then I'd have a "pre-existing condition" in the eyes of any future insurer, while meanwhile high-deductible "catastrophic" would no longer be practicable, given the ongoing costs of monitoring and treating the condition.

I chose to buy my house, I chose to buy my car; I didn't get to choose my genes, and I could never afford to pay my own medical bills, let alone my dependents', if I hadn't been able to afford comprehensive coverage by the time fate decided I needed it. I know from corresponding online with other people with my condition--at least, the ones here in the US--that they haven't all been so lucky in their insurance situation: some are facing huge medical debts; some are unable to find an insurer who'll take them, because of how much they're going to cost; some have put off needed neurosurgery because their insurer won't cover their preferred neurosurgeon's costs (insisting on a neurosurgeon with experience in the specific operation you require can be expensive). And as far as I can tell, your response to situations like theirs seems to be, "It's your own damn fault for not having had both the money and the foresight to realize that something like this could happen and make sure you were covered." Unless I'm completely missing some implicit qualifications that were meant to follow from your ideas.
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Rather the point. Once you set up one of these behemoths of a program they can't, no matter how expensive or inefficient they become, be undone can they?
Ah, you don't believe in evolution.
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Isn't it fair and logical that XXXL jeans cost more than small jeans? Doesn't that just make sense? Not "through the roof" different but enough to cover the extra fabric.
I'm not sure what planet you're living on but given that all high end designer jeans don't come in XXXXXXXXL sizes, I can most certainly assure you that skinny people pay more for jeans.
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