MANDATORY health insurance

[martha]

Better health how? One less death, and a lower cancer survival rate? Great. Or is it the one year longer life expectancy?

Exactly. Forget the poor here who can't afford their medical care. They should move to Canada or some other socialist country. We don't have time or money for them. My money is my money. I earned it. No one gave it to me, so no one should take it away to pay for some loser's operation.

 

[martha]

It's time to coddle people from birth to grave, if they want to be on Meth I should buy it for them.

That's what the socialists want to you believe. All the poor are on meth anyway, so I'm sure paying for the meth is in the health care bill. You know it is if the socialist Democrats wrote the damn thing.

 

[HyperU2]

Exactly. Forget the poor here who can't afford their medical care. They should move to Canada or some other socialist country. We don't have time or money for them. My money is my money. I earned it. No one gave it to me, so no one should take it away to pay for some loser's operation.

If our life expectancy is basically the same, what exactly are the poor missing out on here? You socialist types should be out changing someones life right now instead of bitching about it online. Won't find you in the ghettos though.

 

[martha]

If our life expectancy is basically the same, what exactly are the poor missing out on here?

Exactly!! Quality of life is just one of those buzzwords the socialists use to steal your money from you. And then they dig up faulty numbers to make it seem like they have a case.

I say KEEP OUR MONEY. If the poor want surgeries and cancer treatments and they haven't saved up for them or, more likely, they've spent all their money on meth, how is that my fault?

 

[BVS]

If our life expectancy is basically the same, what exactly are the poor missing out on here?

See if you understood numbers you would realize that if more got healthcare, they would live longer and we can beat that life expectancy statistic...

You want to win don't you?

 

[HyperU2]

they've spent all their money on meth, how is that my fault?

It's not, so sleep well.

 

[HyperU2]

See if you understood numbers you would realize that if more got healthcare, they would live longer and we can beat that life expectancy statistic...

You want to win don't you?

No I don't really care, I think 78 is plenty. How can you really hope to beat that? But this could all start a euthanasia discussion.

 

[martha]

It's not, so sleep well.

Not until every poor person who wants to steal my money to pay for surgeries and cancer treatments has finally shut up.

 

[INDY500]

Oh, that's funny. But tell me - how many babies are put at risk every year because of the US health care system? How many expectant mothers are foregoing prenatal care? How many don't give birth under proper circumstances? Why is your infant mortality rate higher than many other western nations, including those with socialized health care?

The fact that America has more births to teenagers, more to obese mothers or those that smoke or are addicted to drugs is more a reflection of the differences in lifestyle than that of healthcare systems.

 

[HyperU2]

Not until every poor person who wants to steal my money to pay for surgeries and cancer treatments has finally shut up.

They're too busy dying of OD's to have cancer kill them, relax.

 

[BVS]

No I don't really care, I think 78 is plenty.

Well then you aren't a true American

Americans want to win!!!

Go USA!!!

 

[INDY500]

the point is that the EU has better health than we do, and their citizens don't go bankrupt paying bills because they're so poor and stupid they get cancer.

"Better health" is not the same as receive better healthcare treatment.

The question is, which system would you rather have access to if you needed treatment?

 

[martha]

They're too busy dying of OD's to have cancer kill them, relax.

Relax!? How can you be so blase about this?


I work really hard and I can't believe that some asshole who makes less than I do because he doesn't work as hard is somehow going to steal my money to pay for his chemo or antibiotics or whatever else he needs but didn't plan ahead for. He didn't start an HSA, so why the fuck should I pay for it?

 

[coolian2]

Better health is not the same as receive better healthcare treatment.

The question is, which system would you rather have access to if you needed treatment?

one that wasn't going to send me broke.

 

[BVS]

The fact that America has more births to teenagers, more to obese mothers or those that smoke or are addicted to drugs is more a reflection of the differences in lifestyle than that of healthcare systems.

Really? You don't think healthcare and education are linked?

I think you are sadly mistaken.

 

[martha]

The question is, which system would you rather have access to if you needed treatment?

Exactly! Finally someone gets it. I have a PPO, so treatment is a breeze. If the lazy fuck working on my lawn didn't think ahead and save up to treat his daughter's cancer and she goes without the right treatment, he can just STFU about anything. He didn't save up, so not my problem.

 

[martha]

The fact that America has more births to teenagers, more to obese mothers or those that smoke or are addicted to drugs is more a reflection of the differences in lifestyle than that of healthcare systems.

Right! And those people DO NOT deserve adequate treatment at all. If that teen mom couldn't keep her pants on, and her baby suffers and has major health problems because she didn't have the money to pay for it, tough shit. It's not my problem. I kept my pants on and I managed to get a good job with insurance. Not the losers who don't have any because they're too stupid and lazy/

 

[INDY500]

Right! And those people DO NOT deserve adequate treatment at all. If that teen mom couldn't keep her pants on, and her baby suffers and has major health problems because she didn't have the money to pay for it, tough shit. It's not my problem. I kept my pants on and I managed to get a good job with insurance. Not the losers who don't have any because they're too stupid and lazy/

If our dropout rate is higher than other countries, is that solely the fault of our educational system? Or are there other societal pathologies to factor in?

 

[INDY500]

Exactly! Finally someone gets it. I have a PPO, so treatment is a breeze. If the lazy fuck working on my lawn didn't think ahead and save up to treat his daughter's cancer and she goes without the right treatment, he can just STFU about anything. He didn't save up, so not my problem.

Is this an indictment of our healthcare system or how much affluent suburban liberals pay their "yard help"?

 

[VintagePunk]

If our dropout rate is higher than other countries, is that solely the fault of our educational system? Or are there other societal pathologies to factor in?

Wow, step out for a few hours and the thread explodes.

I'm addressing more than just this one post obviously, but this one sort of ties in with the whole issue. You mentioned obesity and drug addiction as causes of the poorer numbers that the US has health-wise. You don't see how all of this is interconnected, those societal pathologies, as you call them? You've never considered that you might have higher rates of addiction and obesity due to what you're lacking in health care for all? That universal health care might result in an overall healthier, more productive society, one that might have much less of these societal pathologies?

 

[martha]

If our dropout rate is higher than other countries, is that solely the fault of our educational system?

Absolutely. And don't forget the lazy poor. They neither study nor work.

 

[martha]

Is this an indictment of our healthcare system or how much affluent suburban liberals pay their "yard help"?

Only the second one. The liberals sure enough embrace the free market regarding how much they pay the yard help, I tell you what. Why should the liberals have to pay for the yard help's health care anyway?

 

[corianderstem]

Relax!? How can you be so blase about this?

Because NSW was right and he's just trolling to get a rise out of everyone? He doesn't deserve your attention or your outrage.

 

[martha]

Even if it's faux outrage?

 

[corianderstem]

If it amuses you, then carry on.

 

[anitram]

"Better health" is not the same as receive better healthcare treatment.

The question is, which system would you rather have access to if you needed treatment?

The socialist commie one in Soviet Canuckistan.

When I lived and worked in your country and had health insurance, I still preferred to wait to fly home to Toronto for treatment. Shocking to you, I know.

 

[financeguy]

the point is that the EU has better health than we do,

Not all countries in the EU do have better health care than the US. Indeed, there are quite a few cases of people with rare conditions flying from the UK or Ireland to the US for treatment.

and their citizens don't go bankrupt paying bills because they're so poor and stupid they get cancer.

Well, that's probably true. I haven't heard of anyone going bankrupt over here just because of healthcare bills.

 

[martha]

When I lived and worked in your country and had health insurance, I still preferred to wait to fly home to Toronto for treatment. Shocking to you, I know.

When my husband was in grad school in Las Vegas, there were a whole bunch of Canadians there who would regularly fly back to Toronto and other cities to get any kind of health care. Fly back to Toronto rather than deal with the American system.

 

[financeguy]

When my husband was in grad school in Las Vegas, there were a whole bunch of Canadians there who would regularly fly back to Toronto and other cities to get any kind of health care. Fly back to Toronto rather than deal with the American system.

Expat Canadians are required to fly back to Canada at frequent intervals for socialist indoctrination classes.

 

[coolian2]

god forbid that it were easy for foreigners to get doctors appointments in the united states. we can't have that.

it is as easy for someone from overseas to get a gp appointment here as it is for someone from overseas, and almost as cheap.