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Old 08-17-2009, 09:19 PM   #421
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Y'know, this whole "Obama is the socialist devil" bullshit could really start working for us.
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There were no good movies on last night, so i was watching the O'Reilly Factor, just for shits and giggles. There seemed to be an abundance of these "pill commercials", as i call them, you know the type, the ones with all the goofy names where you dont really know what they are for. "side affects may include nausea, fever, headache, diharrea, ulcers, temporary blindness, and bleeding from the asshole. rare cases may include coma or death."

And then we have O'Reilly attacking "pinhead" Brad Pitt because he was talking with bill maher about marijuana for 30 seconds out of a 15 minute interview.

Hmm, Fox News promoting prescription drugs while having a commentator use anti-marijuana propaganda?!
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:34 AM   #423
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I'll never understand O'Reilly's viewers. He's the definition of hypocrite, isn't it part of his job title? Don't get me wrong all sides have their blowhards, but I'm not sure there's anyone else that has been proven to be such a glaring example of hypocricy.
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I believe i mentioned on here that my dad and i used to watch him everynight and that i "woke up" and quit watching him and my dad still hopelessly watches him. well last night after the show he called me. i asked him if he watched the factor tonight cause i was going to tell him about the brad pitt thing. he says "no i havent watched him for a while. im sick of his bitching about everything."

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I'll never understand O'Reilly's viewers. He's the definition of hypocrite
Explain.

And there is nobody worse in that field than Olbermann. Nobody.
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And there is nobody worse in that field than Olbermann. Nobody.
Well there's been numerous numerous threads in here and stories as to why he's a hypocrite. Type "O'Reilly" and "hypocricy" and you'll get at least 4 youtube videos and 3 pages worth of stories.

Olbermann might be a blowhard, and you might not like him, but by no means has he been exposed as a hypocrite like O'Reilly.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.
The membership loss suggests dissatisfaction on the part of AARP members at a time when many senior citizens are concerned about proposed cuts to Medicare providers to help pay for making health care available for all. But spokesman Drew Nannis said it wasn't unusual for the powerful, 40 million-strong senior citizens' lobby to shed members in droves when it's advocating on a controversial issue.
No biggie. They were gonna lose members to the death panels anyway.
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are you sure they just didn't die?
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No biggie. They were gonna lose members to the death panels anyway.
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The approximately 60,000 number represents members who specifically cited AARP's stance on the health overhaul debate in canceling their membership between July 1 and mid-August, Nannis said. He said that on average AARP loses some 300,000 members a month, but he couldn't say how many more members had quit for other reasons in that time period.

He said AARP gained some 400,000 new members during the same period and that 1.5 million members renewed their membership.

"Death panels", Pelosi's swastika quote, you really buy into this stuff don't you?
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Boy, am I late to this party.

Amusing and cogent (and sometimes incoherent) comments on both sides. My thoughts on health care are complicated and difficult to sum up. So I'll only comment on the post that made me laugh:

"Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president's policies without preposterous name-calling" ~ David Frum

You mean like the Left did so easily and quickly during Bush's term? The reality is that whatever lack of political dialogue we are able to have now is a direct result of studying and employing the Left's playbook for the past eight years -- used frequently and often here on FYM. ("Hail to the Thief," "GW is a racist," "GW is a moron," "GW is a war criminal," "GW is a fascist," "GW is a Christofascist," "Theocracy is on the rise," etc etc. I seem to recall several "Bush is Hitler" comments as well.)

If we could all tone down the rhetoric, that would be awesome.
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maybe i should post this here instead of the fascist socialist thread

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1.) end the wars overseas, close non-essential military bases.

2.) end failed war on drugs. legalize, tax, and control all drugs. release all non-violent drug offenders from jail / prison. with prison population down by somewhere around almost 50%, close all un-needed private prisons funded by the government.

3.) get rid if all medical insurance companies.

4.) with all the money the government saved from cutting military spending, paying for prisoners and prisons, and income from legalized, taxed drugs, they pay for healthcare for everyone. private doctors, hospitals, dentists, etc etc are all reimbursed by the government for the services they provide. government pays for all supplies, medicines, equipment, etc at dirt cheap rate. everything runs pretty much the same except instead of insurance companies paying the doctors, the government pays for everything. no salary changes, no job cuts, nothing. the government doesnt "RUN" healthcare or interfere with policy, it just pays for it, no questions asked.

5.) if you are healthy and dont use the system that often, you get a tax break. if you are unhealthy and go to the doctor every week, you dont. simple.

just a possible idea to make the government work for us instead of us working for the government
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In all honesty how can you legalize and control drugs such as meth, heroin, and cocaine?
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If we could all tone down the rhetoric, that would be awesome.


firstly, invading Iraq and espousing a line of "you're with us or against us" is rather more deserving of a radical response, since many seem to have forgotten just how radical the early Bush years actually were post-9/11 and just how in bed he was with the Religious Right to the point where James Dobson was given veto power over SCOTUS nominees.

it was far, far more incendiary than what Obama is proposing, which is a really, really moderate change to the health care system since he has the shocking goal of wanting to provide health insurance to every american.

i agree that some Bush comments way back then were irresponsible (Bush = Hitler), but let's retain our sense of proportionality and remember our very recent history.
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Yes, wouldn't that be awesome? Of course it's ironic after you state all this drivel:


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You mean like the Left did so easily and quickly during Bush's term? The reality is that whatever lack of political dialogue we are able to have now is a direct result of studying and employing the Left's playbook for the past eight years -- used frequently and often here on FYM. ("Hail to the Thief," "GW is a racist," "GW is a moron," "GW is a war criminal," "GW is a fascist," "GW is a Christofascist," "Theocracy is on the rise," etc etc. I seem to recall several "Bush is Hitler" comments as well.)
I'm guessing you're too young or didn't pay attention during the Clinton years?
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In all honesty how can you legalize and control drugs such as meth, heroin, and cocaine?
same as you do tobacco and alcohol. either of which contribute to more deaths than meth, herion, and coke combined i might add.

it's my understanding that meth has become so popular because it has become harder to get the other drugs like coke and heroin. meth is cheap and easy to make, yet probably the most dangerous and harmful drug out there, other than the pharmicuticals.

drug dealers dont check for ID. yet it's pretty hard for someone under 21 do get alcohol.
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what Obama is proposing, which is a really, really moderate change to the health care system
Which is why it's collapsing despite a huge Democratic majority in the House and a 60 vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
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