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Old 06-09-2009, 10:12 PM   #21
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so it's just the American government that doesn't work, right? because all other Western countries have universal health care with varying levels of government participation and they seem to somehow still be surviving (and have a longer life expectancy and lower rates of obesity).

government only fails when Republicans are in charge.
Health care is making people fat now?

Western Europe has an average life expectancy of about 6 months longer than ours.

Wow.
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Wow.

Anyone with the sense of overall changes in humanity, and the relevantly short timespan that "modern" medicine has been around, that's huge.
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We're fat and we live just as long. In your face EU.
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We're fat and we live just as long. In your face EU.
But we don't, some of the differences are up to 2 almost 3 years...

But nice try.
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But we don't, some of the differences are up to 2 almost 3 years...

But nice try.


And some aren't. Some are even worse, I'm looking at you Ireland and Denmark.



Splitting hairs, if we only lived to be 50 I'd give a shit.
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And some aren't. Some are even worse, I'm looking at you Ireland and Denmark.



Splitting hairs, if we only lived to be 50 I'd give a shit.
Well in 50 years when the differences are much bigger because America proudly stated "We're fat and we used to live just as long. In your face EU."

I'm sure your grandchildren will care.
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Well in 50 years when the differences are much bigger because America proudly stated "We're fat and we used to live just as long. In your face EU."
You better hope they are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...in-Europe.html

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Doesn't really contradict anything I said, but hey good try
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I forgot you said anything.
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Health care is making people fat now?

Western Europe has an average life expectancy of about 6 months longer than ours.

Wow.


wow.

let's not even talk about the issue.

wow.
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Dems want mental health, dental for all..

During the closed-door session Tuesday, Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.) told colleagues that any bill should include mental health and dental insurance.
Republicans should be on board with this, their core constituents are missing about half their teeth and could use some mental medicine.
Who said the Democrats don't care about Republicans?
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We're fat and we live just as long. In your face EU.
YEAH!! Let's get as fat as possible!
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wow.

let's not even talk about the issue.

wow.

Sorry, you brought up life expectancy and then everything went to shit.
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Sorry, you brought up life expectancy and then everything went to shit.
That's how you see it?

wow
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I'd like access to health care for all regardless of ability to pay because I think not only is it good for individuals, it's also good for the nation as a whole. However, I don't see that forcing everyone into our current for profit insurance-run health care system is the way to go. I think we all know there would be loads of insurance policies sold to people who can't afford much which will turn out to be completely worthless, but will make the companies that sell them loads of profit.

I think we have to bite the fucking bullet and make sure that everyone in the US has health care.
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Are the folks in the EU as dependent on drugs for every little sniffle as we are? I wouldn't mind seeing universal health care in this country denying some of that sort of thing.
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Are the folks in the EU as dependent on drugs for every little sniffle as we are? I wouldn't mind seeing universal health care in this country denying some of that sort of thing.
One thing about it, a move to national healthcare will slow down big pharma's ability to wine and dine doctors, hire people to stop by once a week marketing the doctors and dropping off samples.

Anxiety medicines and anti-depressants are great break throughs, but the overuse has a great deal to do with how they are marketed.

Same as "restless leg syndrome" medications and what not...

So, yes the over prescribing will slow down a lot.
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