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Old 11-06-2002, 03:00 PM   #21
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No one in Washington represents me.
They should have some nutjob wheeled into congress from a mental institution and he can shout something crazy like "Labadada DAH!" during each session and then he'll leave. I think that's adequate representation of your side. Hahaha

How about Marrion Barry? He's in Washington. He's the best crack-smokin, bribe taking, whore-boinking representative of the left that I've ever seen.

Sorry...sorry...I'm not done gloating.
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They should have some nutjob wheeled into congress from a mental institution and he can shout something crazy like "Labadada DAH!" during each session and then he'll leave. I think that's adequate representation of your side. Hahaha

How about Marrion Barry? He's in Washington. He's the best crack-smokin, bribe taking, whore-boinking representative of the left that I've ever seen.

Sorry...sorry...I'm not done gloating.

Let's not forget dear ol' Ted Kennedy........


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Old 11-06-2002, 03:22 PM   #23
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Lilly,

Most opinion polls do show support for Bush's war on terrorism and USA policy on Iraq. In addition, Congress both House and Senate supported Bush's resolution on Iraq by an overwhelming majority. Even a majority of Democratic senator's supported Bush's resolution on Iraq. More Democratic senators supported Bush Jr.'s resolution on Iraq than they did Bush Sr. resolution on Iraq in January 1991, that was clearly supported by the American people. There are few other issues that have this much strong bi-partisan support. Of course, if there are other issue's you think the public likes the Republicans more on, I'd be interested to here what you think they are.
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No one will say it, but I think a big part of the reason for the Republican victory is support among Americans for Bush's war on terrorism and policy on Iraq, despite indications that these were not the top issue's by media polls in this election. I remind you this was a midterm elections for a president that lost the popular vote in 2000 with an economy that has been slow on the recovery front. First term presidents, even popular ones, usually do not gain seats in mid-term election, this is the first time in a half century or a century I believe. Add in the economy and it is truly a huge victory. War on terror and Bush's policy on Iraq I think clearly swayed voters to vote for the GOP.
Yep,...scared people vote for conservative politic ideas and solutions.
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They should have some nutjob wheeled into congress from a mental institution and he can shout something crazy like "Labadada DAH!" during each session and then he'll leave. I think that's adequate representation of your side. Hahaha

How about Marrion Barry? He's in Washington. He's the best crack-smokin, bribe taking, whore-boinking representative of the left that I've ever seen.

Sorry...sorry...I'm not done gloating.

garibaldo, you know this stuff is inappropriate to post. please act accordingly.
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Old 11-06-2002, 03:35 PM   #26
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Sorry if I came off completely wrong there. My personal opinion on the war is really complicated (yes under x and y circumstances, no under a and be circumstances).


I think public opinion polls are generally inaccurate. Some that eliminate as many factors as possible are mildly accurate. But phone polls don't get people who work either during the day, or at night, the people that don't have phones very well can't answer them, and generally it's someone that is younger than 18 who answers the phone and can't participate in the poll. But how else do we poll? online? What about people who don't have access online? Or people who vote more than once?


The sentiment that I've gotten from the upper Midwest (Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota, northeast Nebraska) has all been anti-war.



IF (when) we do go to war, I don't want it to be over something frivolous. I know that a lot of Democrats back the war, and that's something that shows me the war is apparently worth fighting. Same thing if there were a Democratic President and Republicans backed him in an iffy war, it just gives more backing to the war.


Umm, if that made sense, then I'm done.
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Sorry if I came off completely wrong there. My personal opinion on the war is really complicated (yes under x and y circumstances, no under a and be circumstances).


I think public opinion polls are generally inaccurate. Some that eliminate as many factors as possible are mildly accurate. But phone polls don't get people who work either during the day, or at night, the people that don't have phones very well can't answer them, and generally it's someone that is younger than 18 who answers the phone and can't participate in the poll. But how else do we poll? online? What about people who don't have access online? Or people who vote more than once?


The sentiment that I've gotten from the upper Midwest (Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota, northeast Nebraska) has all been anti-war.



IF (when) we do go to war, I don't want it to be over something frivolous. I know that a lot of Democrats back the war, and that's something that shows me the war is apparently worth fighting. Same thing if there were a Democratic President and Republicans backed him in an iffy war, it just gives more backing to the war.


Umm, if that made sense, then I'm done.
First, let me say that you're WAY too uptight about small jokes at the expense of liberals. God knows there has been a ton against conservatives on this board. You need to lighten up. I even apologized at the end!

Secondly, most polls aren't just run by a ragtag bunch of news people with an agenda without consulting statisticians.

Thirdly, I submit that your "sense" of things is flawed because you're going to tend towards liberal points of view and stray from conservative ones. That's just your bias.
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Lilly,

I'd agree with you about support for the war and policy on Iraq in the states you mentioned. The midwest, even with Republicans in office, I think tends to be a little more Isolationist when it comes to foreign affairs.

Polls are never 100% accurate, but are often very close within a margin of error of + or - 5%. I think the election of public officials is very accurate and if there was really strong opposition to the war on terrorism or the policy on Iraq, I think we would have seen it in yesterday's election. Its difficult to say what exactly yesterday's election was an endorsement of, but I feel it did endorse the President's policies on Terror and Iraq, because these things are very serious and known by virtually everyone. While many will disagree with me on this next point, I feel that not voting(when one has the opportunity) is simply an endorsement of the outcome.
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Indeed, I believe Republican victory was due to immense war fervor amongst conservative areas of the country. We want blood...and I'm sure now we'll get it...

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First, let me say that you're WAY too uptight about small jokes at the expense of liberals. God knows there has been a ton against conservatives on this board. You need to lighten up. I even apologized at the end!

Secondly, most polls aren't just run by a ragtag bunch of news people with an agenda without consulting statisticians.

Thirdly, I submit that your "sense" of things is flawed because you're going to tend towards liberal points of view and stray from conservative ones. That's just your bias.

1. No, I'm not WAY too uptight about SMALL jokes at the expense of liberals. I don't count:
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2. I know this. I'm a reporter, I run polls all the time. BUT, it depends on how to take polls...they don't reach everyone. So when I see a poll that says "66% of South Dakotans believe x, y, and z" I know it's 66% of however many they polled, not, as is often inferred, actually 66% of South Dakotans believing x, y, and z.

3. I'm independent, I don't make my life decisions based on a party line. The fact that I'm an Independent doesn't mean that I don't like something associated with the Republican party simply because it is associated with the Republicans, and I don't automatically like everything the Democrats or Independents do just because it's them either. I think for myself. It doesn't effect my "sense" of things. What does determine my sense of things is talking to people, reading the newspapers, etc. And that's not something I can taint.
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The Republicans now control both the Executive and Legislative branches.

All I can say is....BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
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Old 11-06-2002, 06:20 PM   #32
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Republicans hold the power, the economy is failing and we're staring head on to a war...this reminds me of something. A time when U2 didn't know irony, the internet was unknown, and Miami Vice ruled the fashion scene. Now what was that called...oh yeah the 80's. Do we remember the 80's? Do we really want to go back? You would have thought we would have learned a thing or two.
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Old 11-06-2002, 06:48 PM   #33
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Bonovoxsupastar,

In the 80s the Republicans did not control congress, the Democrats did. The last and only time since 1954 that the Republicans controlled everything like they do today was 2 years ago when 'W' was elected President. They lost control of the Senate when there was a defection in the Senate after the election. Now they have the control back.
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In the 80s the Republicans did not control congress, the Democrats did. The last and only time since 1954 that the Republicans controlled everything like they do today was 2 years ago when 'W' was elected President. They lost control of the Senate when there was a defection in the Senate after the election. Now they have the control back.

they never contolled the house in the 80's. they were the majority about 1/2 the time in the senate...

in the 20th cent there have been long periods where the dems have been the majority in both houses. and exec. branch. most recent was 93-94.
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the economy is failing and we're staring head on to a war...
I know what this reminds me of...

http://www.guerrillanews.com/ebn/qt_hi3.html

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congratulations america! 37% turn-out in one of the most important elections in ages! way to go! way to be heard! way to show democracy wins in america!

congratulations on sending your country to war that noone else in the world wants!

way to go republicans!
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I know what this reminds me of...

http://www.guerrillanews.com/ebn/qt_hi3.html

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heeey..i remember that

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Im glad glad Bush Sr..decided to help out w The Zoo TV Tour..
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1. No, I'm not WAY too uptight about SMALL jokes at the expense of liberals. I don't count: as a SMALL joke.

You don't think it's small because you're uptight. Exactly my point.

2. I know this. I'm a reporter, I run polls all the time. BUT, it depends on how to take polls...they don't reach everyone. So when I see a poll that says "66% of South Dakotans believe x, y, and z" I know it's 66% of however many they polled, not, as is often inferred, actually 66% of South Dakotans believing x, y, and z.

You're a reporter?! Dear GOD! Aren't reporters supposed to be somewhat unbiased? What exactly do you report? Can you really call yourself a reporter at the age of 18? There goes fair and balanced journalism right out the window.

3. I'm independent, I don't make my life decisions based on a party line. The fact that I'm an Independent doesn't mean that I don't like something associated with the Republican party simply because it is associated with the Republicans, and I don't automatically like everything the Democrats or Independents do just because it's them either. I think for myself. It doesn't effect my "sense" of things. What does determine my sense of things is talking to people, reading the newspapers, etc. And that's not something I can taint.

Oh please. You can't pretend like you don't have any bias against conservatives. Most conservatives I know can "smell" a liberal from a mile away. I know you need to keep telling yourself that you're a conscientious person who gives each issue a chance, but your posts don't make it seem like you give a rats ass about the conservative stance. There's NOBODY on this forum that's unbiased. I think many liberals declare themselves as Independents when they don't want to be pigeon-holed into a party. I think "liberal" is a pretty broad categorization that is pretty fair in this case. It doesn't make you any more open-minded to declare yourself an Independent. You may not see yourself as a dem or green, but the "group think" among the liberals on this board is palpable. Where's Ms. Principle when conservatives get attacked on this board and pigeon-holed CONSTANTLY? Nowhere to be found. That's right.
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Ummm...the congress already gave Bush the power to do that. Where have you been?Guess how many democrats are responsible for that? War won't come if Saddam does what he's told. Last time I checked, Blair is still with us. Thanks.
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That may be, but what happened on election day is darn accurate. The liberal agenda is weakening. As a nation, we made a statement.

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