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Old 05-11-2008, 07:18 PM   #21
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I too have seen kids like you describe, but they are not particularly the kids of 'ultra conservatives', but drunken rednecks and people too wild, free, selfish and party hardy to take care of their kids. But, are you saying these kids should have died before they were born? Peoples' lives can be fucked up regardless of their positions on the issues.

I agree with U2387, with the better informed younger generation, common sense and contraceptives being more common and readily available abortions should seriously decrease.
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Old 05-11-2008, 07:35 PM   #22
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Anyone who is going through the energy (and for some, time) of having sex should also take a minute to discuss contraception methods.
You are overlooking detail that people get stupid for sex.
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Yep - its the conservative movement that is fucking up kids. Give me a break.



Very intelligent thread here.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:21 PM   #24
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Yeah, we Americans don't want no darkie children.

Your generalizations are offensive and insulting.
If you are white and against abortion, you are clearly likely to be a racist as well.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:14 PM   #25
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You are overlooking detail that people get stupid for sex.
No, I am acknowledging this detail and saying people CAN and should be a little smarter about it. Especially when something as serious as pregnancy or disease is involved. If they get stupid for sex, they shouldnt be having sex. Honestly, I know so many guys at school who are drunk off their asses and they still put a condom on when some girl gets all over them. Its the minority that dont. Plus, after sex, I mentioned that we have available and effective emergency contraception, at least in Boston, not sure about Melbourne.
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Thats fine, but there will always be that minority that doesn't use protection or where it fails for whatever reason.
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You are overlooking detail that people get stupid for sex.
Given the health risks and the stakes, this is not an effective excuse.
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Old 05-12-2008, 04:27 PM   #28
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I don't know about anybody else, but what I got from dazzlingamy's posts was the idea that the parents who are fucking their kids up are parents who didn't want to be parents in the first place, parents who had their kids because abortion was so frowned on. A parent who doesn't want a kid is not going to be a good parent, that's just common sense. I think she was just saying that children don't deserve to be raised by parents who don't truly want/love them but who only had them because they felt like they had no choice anymore than children deserve to be aborted. Perhaps the connotation that that group of parents who had kids they didn't want was only conservative was questionable, but other than that, I don't see the big deal with what she's saying - that is, if my interpretation is correct.

As for the whole abortion vs capital punishment thing, it's just a matter of rational thinking, imo.

There is no purpose to killing a convicted criminal as long as he/she stays behind bars. Their death won't accomplish anything, it is undoable in the event of a mistake, and it is hypocritical on a number of counts. Those against capital punishment are hardly ever arguing because they feel sorry for the criminal - that's an oversimplified interpretation. Likewise, there is no reason to completely ban a procedure that is sometimes neccessary, as long as it is regulated properly and not overused.
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I don't know about anybody else, but what I got from dazzlingamy's posts was the idea that the parents who are fucking their kids up are parents who didn't want to be parents in the first place, parents who had their kids because abortion was so frowned on. A parent who doesn't want a kid is not going to be a good parent, that's just common sense. I think she was just saying that children don't deserve to be raised by parents who don't truly want/love them but who only had them because they felt like they had no choice anymore than children deserve to be aborted. Perhaps the connotation that that group of parents who had kids they didn't want was only conservative was questionable, but other than that, I don't see the big deal with what she's saying - that is, if my interpretation is correct.

As for the whole abortion vs capital punishment thing, it's just a matter of rational thinking, imo.

There is no purpose to killing a convicted criminal as long as he/she stays behind bars. Their death won't accomplish anything, it is undoable in the event of a mistake, and it is hypocritical on a number of counts. Those against capital punishment are hardly ever arguing because they feel sorry for the criminal - that's an oversimplified interpretation. Likewise, there is no reason to completely ban a procedure that is sometimes neccessary, as long as it is regulated properly and not overused.
Have you or dazzlingamy ever heard of contraception as a solution for this?? Though I do not favor making abortion illegal, I hate it when people try to defend it as something that is good or should be promoted because of X or Y reason. Have any of you ever met a woman who was going through the agonizing process of making this decision? How about not have to deal with it in the first place--- CONDOMS, PEOPLE. Keep you from having kids you do not want/cant afford, without the expensive, emotionally taxing and unpleasant abortion.
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A parent who doesn't want a kid is not going to be a good parent, that's just common sense.
So killing the kids is an acceptable option?
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It isn't a child, it is a potential child.
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Thats fine, but there will always be that minority that doesn't use protection or where it fails for whatever reason.
Thats fine, too, but heres what I say:

1.)minority that does not use it: USE IT! Its better than getting pregnant, abortion, or STDs. Undertake a national advertising campaign, public health announcements and all about contraception. Conservative nutjobs be damned, this will work in getting the message across to people, their moralizing should not be factored in here as this is not promoting promiscuity, it is dealing with reality.

2.)It fails: condoms, when used effectively, work 99.99% of the time, almost fail proof. Teach people how to use it- parents and sex ed. Plus, there is emergency contraception as a back up.

I honestly see abortion becoming more and more unnecessary without it becoming illegal, something that is reflected in the statistics of the last 15 years.
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I don't know where 'conservatives don't want their kids' thing came from, i was actually saying that the ultra conservatives who go on and on about killing children and the whole 'gods creation' stuff, are the ones who are screwing up a lot of their kids with mumbo jumbo.

What i was trying to say but obviously failing, is that the world is not a really nice place sometimes, and to take away a procedure that is a part of stupid mistakes and accidents that may then in turn cause more horribleness is not lookng at the big picture.

Also the 'white babies' thing was a joke, i thought it might of been obviously. sorry.

Basically people make mistakes, people get drunk and think 'it won't happen to me' people sometimes are sick when they're on the pill and don't realise it and so on, so for OTHER PEOPLE to say 'nup sorry, you had sex with some random stranger for a bit of fun, and now you're pregnant you HAVE to keep it for the next 60 years because there is no other option - oh, well there is adoption, but then they'll come looking for you in 18 years and you'll have to deal with all that, just because one night you went out with your girlfriends for a few drinks and like any adult has the right to do, you decided to have a bit of fun and have sex with someone you GASP might not know and for some reason accidently got pregnant, but curse you cause you did it, now you're stuck with it' etc

i don't not see anywhere that what i've said is offensive?
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I don't see how offensiveness invalidates the argument, the point stands to support abortion on demand - it isn't as though supporting abortion rights (which are the reproductive rights of a human woman over a potential human) are the ones opposing sex-ed and contraception.
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