Liberal Philosophy Makes Me Sick

[80sU2isBest]

I have come to realize through my discussions with some very thoughtful people (The Wanderer, bonoman,radiodivision, Crazy4Bono, U2Bama, and others [but not Matthew_Page - I don't care what he says])that the thread title "Liberal Philosophy Makes Me Sick" was way too strong, and could be considered offensive. The 'smack in the face" nature of this was based on a recent discussion I had had. But I should not have had such an emotional response. I sincerely apologize for the brashness of this title. If I wanted to start a discussion, I should've used this title: "I don't agree with Liberal Philosophy, and here's why".

[Crzy4Bono]

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
The 'smack in the face" nature of this was based on a recent discussion I had had. But I should not have had such an emotional response. I sincerely apologize for the brashness of this title. If I wanted to start a discussion, I should've used this title: "I don't agree with Liberal Philosophy, and here's why".

No problem 80s! Y'all know I love a healthy debate, regardless of the title!

And 80s and Bama both - yes, I agree that the over-abundance of Pat Buchanan quotes is not representative; however, I am at work and don't really have the time here to dig these out. I will look for some other folks tonight and post them if I can. However, I think a lot of people (myself included) feel that the religious right, led by the likes of Mr. Buchanan, has a pretty strong hold on the Republican Party, whose candidates are afraid to buck then for fear of losing this major block of votes. If the conservative right has developed a reputation for being close-minded and uncaring among other folks, it is due to statements like this, whether or not they are representative (which I would agree they probably are not).

Just curious what would happen if candidates said what they believed instead of what the trial balloons said they should say (this is equally true of ALL parties). Wouldn't it be wonderful to elect someone supported by a wide variety of constituents?

Peace to you!
crzy


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[Matthew_Page2000]

80s,

I am sincerely confused by your response. You accuse me of "twisting" your words and of accusing you of only agreeing with "three" liberals. Pardon me??? Where did I accuse you of that? I used YOUR words IN QUOTATIONS. You said that you were okay with "a few" liberals. I quoted you as saying as much. Perhaps you are doing the "twisting" or are you merely confused?
You also suggest that I have a personal problem with you. Again, I am confused.
I certainly found the title of your thread objectionable and I tried to respond to it but NOT in kind. In my response I merely pointed out that the members of U2 and many of the folks on this forum are liberal.
Regarding the "Ignore the troll" post I made: When I saw the original posting "Liberal Philosophy Makes Me Sick" I couldn't imagine that it was anything other than trolling of the worst sort. I didn't even bother to see who had written it. It was a deliberately provocative topic and even you acknowledge now that it was innapropriate so what's the problem?

As for me making an OCCASIONAL foray into political discussions on the forum...well what of it? You acknowledged in your reply to me that anyone who knows you from the U2Feedback would have to be an idiot not to realize that you are a conservative. You reply to damn near all the political and social threads here. I think I've replied to two or three of them at the most. Since your topic was all but begging for a response I can't imagine why you would be upset.
You suggest that I would never have objected to your post if it had been a criticism of conservative philosophy. Why are you so sure you have me pegged? My father was a conservatie Republican for 50 years. He has become more liberal as he's gotten older but he did vote for Nixon and defends his decision to do so to this day. My brother is as conservative a man as I know. I love them both and respectfully disagree with them on many issues. You'd never catch me posting or contributing to a "Conservative Philosophy Makes Me Sick" thread.

MP

[Trash Can]

When I eat three day old fried chicken... left out on the counter,THAT makes me sick.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
80s,

I am sincerely confused by your response. You accuse me of "twisting" your words and of accusing you of only agreeing with "three" liberals. Pardon me??? Where did I accuse you of that? I used YOUR words IN QUOTATIONS. You said that you were okay with "a few" liberals. I quoted you as saying as much. Perhaps you are doing the "twisting" or are you merely confused?
Since your topic was all but begging for a response I can't imagine why you would be upset.
MP

First, I did NOT accuse you of accusing me of only agreeing with three liberals. I accused you of something that you DID indeed do, which was accuse me of saying that only a few liberals "pass my muster". That accusation right there was dead wrong. Here are the EXACT words of my post:

"I've interacted with a few thoughtful and nice Liberals on Interference. I'm thinking mainly of Bonoman, Rono, Trash Can, and a few others."

Where is the part where I say that none of the others "pass my muster"? I made no judgment whatsoever except to comment on the nice and thoughtful nature of 3 people by name. I named those 3 people because they are the ones whom, although disagreeing with on several subjects, I respect the most. I was complimenting them, not insulting any others. Did I say "only a few liberals"? No. I did not. I also never said I was "okay" with a few liberals. How you can get that is beyond me.

Looking back, maybe I should've used the word "some" instead of "a few", but how you can think that I was insulting other liberally minded people by the fact that I complimented 3 by name is mind-boggling.

I already stated that I was inviting a response - that doesn't mean I was "cage rattling". The issue I take with you is that you accuse me of things I never said. You accused me of your "interpretation" of my words, not anything I actually said. Everything that I have accused you of can be traced directly to your own words, without any additional interpretation needed.

[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by Trash Can:
When I eat three day old fried chicken... left out on the counter,THAT makes me sick.

Eating mushrooms of any age makes me sick.

[U2Bama]

Originally posted by Trash Can:
When I eat three day old fried chicken... left out on the counter,THAT makes me sick.

I didn't think U2 fans ate meat (?)

[Crzy4Bono]

Originally posted by U2Bama:

I didn't think U2 fans ate meat (?)

LMAO! Nothing makes me happier than a big fat medium-rare steak and a baked potato.


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[sulawesigirl4]

Originally posted by U2Bama:

I didn't think U2 fans ate meat (?)

Larry doesn't eat meat, so we shouldnt either.

-sula

p.s. this is interesting stuff. do carry on.

[bonoman]

ok i agree totally with 80's. He made a provocative topic. So. Provocative is the key to great discusions!

In feedback the name to your topic is like a billboard. You have to catch peoples eyes.

Anyway lets drop that and talk about the real subject.

80's-I never caught your opinions on abortion and death penalty. I think these go hand in hand.(remember i dont know your thoughts so i;m not attacking you)

If your againist abortion then you must be against the death penalty if you ask me. How could anyone support killing someone while supporting saving others lives. You see what i'm saying. Like if your for abortion then you must be for the death penalty because how could you sit there and defend criminals while not sticking up for unborn children!

I dont know. Ok i have a question. Since i'm young and canadian. Are liberals repbulicans or dem.? and which are conservatives?

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[80sU2isBest]

Originally posted by bonoman:
Anyway lets drop that and talk about the real subject.

80's-I never caught your opinions on abortion and death penalty. I think these go hand in hand.(remember i dont know your thoughts so i;m not attacking you)

I dont know. Ok i have a question. Since i'm young and canadian. Are liberals repbulicans or dem.? and which are conservatives?

Hi Bonoman, I am against Death Penalty and abortion. My views on the death penalty are wher I part ways with most conservatives.

Of the 4 biggest parties, Most conservatives are Libertarians or Republicans, while most Liberals are Democrats or Green Party.

[bonoman]

ok...thanks...and i really am in agreement of your abortion and death penalty feelings...hmmmm...this sucks we agree!!!

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Running to Stand Still-"you gotta cry without weeping, talk without speaking, scream without raising your voice."

"we're not burning out we're burning up...we're the loudest folk band in the world!"-Bono

[Trash Can]

Oy Vey!

... I guess I shoulda put a next to the Tums comment.
I was not offended. Not since that Gentry kid have I really gotten pissed off here. AND his whole situation taught me a great lesson about these Forums.

Anyway... Play nice kids!

Oh, yeah! ~~~~~~~>


Peace.

[radiodivision]

Bonoman,

I would add that there is a big difference between the liberalism of today's Democratic Party and that of the Green party. Some would actually call the Green's liberalism extreme but that's just good old propaganda working.

[bonoman]

well how extreme is extremme...

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"we're not burning out we're burning up...we're the loudest folk band in the world!"-Bono

[radiodivision]

Originally posted by bonoman:
well how extreme is extremme...

Well, for instance, the Green party opposes major trade agreements such as NAFTA and FTAA (which the Democrats support in general) and they also do not agree with a lot of US foreign policy (something which in general Republican and Democrats support because they don't want to be seen as unpatriotic no matter how wrong a US action may be).

[Klodomir]

Hello ppl, I'm back. Betcha didn't miss me!

I've thought long and hard about this (well, at least for two minutes), and surprisingly enough, I couldn't come up with any group whose philosophy makes me sick. However, the actions of some groups do.

[DrTeeth]

Well, the philosophy of the KKK makes me sick!

[Klodomir]

I have to admit I don't know much about the KKK's philosophy, as we don't have them around here. But I'm disgusted by their actions.

[Trash Can]

YES, I eat dead animal flesh; burnt dead animal carcasses.

I am a carnivarererer...er.
I'm not really proud of it. I know animals are bred and are raised in substandard conditions... All so that I can stuff my face.

I have no excuse.

...that's all I got to say about that.