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King Abdullah Embraces Inter-Faith Project
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Oh God...I can only imagine that all three religions will just find a way to unite in their common hatred and bigotry, rather than anything positive or constructive.
__________________If they could ever find a way to overcome that hatred and bigotry, I think that would go a long way of "preventing atheism," no? |
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Be very thankful that they don't get along, I would hate to see a world where some of the shared elements of the faithful get unleashed on the rest of society
I suspect that there would be more things like this (although probably not the the USA given the high standards of sex education) Quote:
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One thing fundamentalists have in common is that they don't trust anyone but Me'n'Mine to regulate public morality, so I don't see this 'cooperation' King Abdullah seems to be envisioning happening.
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Putting sex education in story books for five to 10 year olds sounds like another Nu-Labour victory over commonsense, one doesn't need to be a Muslim to have reservations about the difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality being taught to five year olds. To me, it just shows that the twentieth century Western obsession with sexuality has unfortunately survived intact to the twenty-first century. |
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because the only thing that makes someone gay is buttsex. that's all there is to it. it's the be-all, end-all of sexual orientation. you can't talk about gays without having to deal with buttsex. buttsex. |
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Why the negativity ppl?
This is a step in the right direction. dbs |
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want to know how to give out age appropriate information about hetero- and homosexuality? it was explained to me by a 4 year old. "did you know that, sometimes, a woman can love a woman?" and that's all that needs to be said about it. look at all the children's literature about the subject. it's simply about the fact that, yes, people of the same sex can love each other, just like their parents love each other. it's homophobic heteros who freak out thinking that a discussion of the existence of gay people will involve anatomy lessons and sexual positions and the importance of breathing through your mouth in order to relax the sphincter muscles. |
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So if you don't approve of sex education for 4 year olds, you're a homophobe. I think I've heard it all now.
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go back and read. saying, "two men can love each other," has NOTHING to do with sex. 3 year olds know that men and women love each other and sometimes get married. you've precisely proved my point. see? buttsex. |
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I suspect what these parents (and others like them elsewhere) are really objecting to is not so much the thought that their 5-year-olds are being taught about "sex"--a quick glance at the materials would presumably show otherwise--but rather that they're being taught to see gay relationships as OK. While I'm not sympathetic to that predicament, I do think it's a thornier topic for schools to present to such parents as a 'win-win' than, say, contraceptive/STD education--because there you can correctly point out that after all most married couples have use for such information too, and therefore there's no essential contradiction in saying, "Fine, I'll teach my kids that sex is for marriage, and that they should consider the info they're learning in school in light of that." But from such parents' standpoint there isn't really an analogous distinction to be drawn with homosexuality, plus it's harder to draw those kinds of distinctions with a 5-year-old anyway.
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but this isn't the argument that these parents are making. they're saying, and financeguy seems to agree, that the materials, whenever it relates to homosexuality, are inherently sexual. and they aren't inherently sexual. i don't see why a discussion about the existence of gay families has be any more sexual than, say, "Three is a Magic Number" from Schoolhouse Rocks: [q]Every triangle has three corners, Every triangle has three sides, No more, no less. You don't have to guess. When it's three you can see It's a magic number. A man and a woman had a little baby, Yes, they did. They had three in the family, And that's a magic number. [/q] done. no penises. to condoms. no astroglide. the heart of this is the following: [q]'Our child is coming home and talking about same-sex relationships, when we haven't even talked about heterosexual relationships with them yet.' [/q] i think it's a straw man. and i don't see how the teaching that, yes, there are gay people who exist, is somehow condoning gay relationships. i mean, they're going to learn that Israel exists, and that would (i imagine) go against whatever these people think the Koran is teaching them. |
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Maybe. But my own impression from talking to (frankly homophobic) parents I know who make these kinds of arguments is that, when they complain about schools 'prematurely sexualizing' their children's social awareness or whatever, that that's really--if perhaps not entirely consciously--a proxy (straw man?) for 'I don't want them getting the idea at an impressionable age that gay relationships are OK, and when they show them happy books about so-and-so's two mommies/daddies, that's exactly the impression they'll get, and I can't really explain to them at this age that the teacher just wants to make sure students grow up to treat gay people fairly regardless of what they personally think about them.' Maybe consciously their first association is 'sex,' because what they themselves find unacceptable about homosexuality has to do with sex, not love. But in practice that becomes an objection to presenting it positively, even if only in terms of love, to children.
Like I said, I'm not at all sympathetic to their situation, but I can understand why schools have an uphill climb dealing with them. |
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^ what about objections to interracial relationships?
should schools be sensitive to religious parents who might wish not to have to explain that, sometimes, black men fall in love with white women? |
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Nope. But at least in this country, public schools are to a considerable degree locally controlled and can't always move forward on addressing actively controversial social issues through curriculum as fast as they--and some parents--might like. (Ever been to a school board meeting?) I really don't know what the situation is like in Britain.
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What a wasted opportunity to teach young, unbiased children acceptance of others.
Had they been exposed to this innocuous material, they would probably show a greater level of tolerance toward their gay peers in high school, or feel better about themselves should they discover that (gasp) they are gay. |
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it seems that Jesus and Mohommad agree that some of us are more acceptable than others. ![]() |
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