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Old 05-24-2008, 12:31 PM   #21
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Olbermann's not that buff.
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That guy is incredibly annoying. I can understand now why people prefer to watch O'Reilly.
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I still watch Countdown every night, but Keith is really beginning to get on my nerves. I think he has started to believe the hype. I adored his special comments when he first started doing them, and no matter what I will always get a kick out of him giving that waste of space Bill O'Reilly a much-deserved smackdown. But even though what Hillary said was nonsensical at best and truly tasteless at worst (especially after her non-apology apology) I'm not sure it merited that level of self-righteous ranting. Calling her out on it? Fine. But a Special Comment? Whatever, Keith.
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I prefer my news and political editorial commentary from less yelly, bombastic sources.


I really think the hysteria over Clinton's latest comments is way, way overblown. She was clumsy in what she said. That is really all.
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Add me to the list of people who find Olbermann to be a blowhard who's a bit too fond of hearing himself talk and has bought into his own hype.
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You know, as an Obama supporter I read her quote and thought, ok, she shouldn't have said that and she apologized so just let it go. I am all about the peacemaking...
Then I found out she had said it twice before.....so I think
Keith Olbermann is exactly right to blow his fuse over this.
Did he over-react? Ok, yes, maybe he did, but like he said her lame excuse for an apology doesn't cut it. She never once said she was sorry for the assasination remark/reference and not once did she directly apologize to Obama for insinuating his untimely demise. Not once, but 3 times. It's like she takes great joy in rubbing salt on an old wound and then runs to her corner crying screaming."what's the big deal and why is everybody picking on me? ". Come on Hillary, you are in denile and it's pathetic and sad and it's time for you and your husband to stop your behind the scenes bullying to try and strong arm your way into the VP slot.


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Here is an opinion from a blog on the fight for the VP slot and the antics the Clinton's are employing.

From the blog, Obsidian Wings

Obsidian Wings: Clinton Campaign Threatens "Open Civil War"

Clinton Campaign Threatens "Open Civil War"
by hilzoy

CNN is reporting that the Clinton and Obama campaign are "in formal talks" about ending her campaign.

I don't have a transcript to post, unfortunately. It's sourced to "Hillary Clinton's inner circle"; the Obama campaign denies that there are talks. "Clinton's inner circle", whoever that might be, is quoted as saying that they are "pushing for some sort of graceful exit strategy", and see three options. The first is that Obama chooses someone else to be Vice President; the second is that Obama publicly offers the VP slot to her and she declines; the third is that somehow Obama and Clinton get together personally and work something out. They don't say much about option three. Option two seems not to be working: they claim that the Obama people are worried that she might just take the VP slot. But it's what they say about the first that's really striking.

They think that for Obama to choose someone else as his running mate would be "a total dismissal", and "totally unacceptable to their camp, one of them saying that it could mean open civil war within the party," and that "it wouldn't mean that Clinton wouldn't campaign for Obama -- she would -- but she would do so like Bill Clinton campaigned for Al Gore, quite aloof. They do not believe that this would be acceptable."

I have been thinking about Clinton's conduct ever since she compared her efforts to get the Florida and Michigan votes counted to abolitionists, suffragists, and the current crisis in Zimbabwe. I agree with Josh Marshall that her attempts to gin up resentment and a sense that the nomination was stolen from her are toxic. Even Ezra Klein, who has been a lot more open to Clinton than many people, has concluded that she is trying to ensure that Obama loses. Since then, there have been a lot of stories wondering what on earth she is up to. And while I haven't heard what the NYPost describes as a "Groundswell Of Calls For O-Hill Union", there has definitely been a groundswell of stories about that alleged groundswell, much of which seems to be coming from the Clinton campaign itself. There have also been a lot of stories asking: what does Obama need to do to keep her on board?

Note what's missing here: any sense that Clinton herself is a responsible moral agent. People are writing about her as though she were a bomb that needed to be expertly defused, as opposed to a person who can govern her own life, and is responsible for her own choices.

I am aware that it must be hard to face the fact that you've lost. But it became clear that she was not going to win the nomination months ago -- I would say after Wisconsin, but certainly after Texas. Moreover, this is not unprecedented. People lose the nomination every four years. Most of the time, they do not stay on until it is mathematically impossible for them to win; they leave when it has become clear that they will not win. They do not complain about disenfranchising all the states with later primaries, they do not threaten to keep their supporters home, and they certainly do not threaten "open civil war" if they don't get nominated for Vice President. On those rare occasions when some candidate does this in the absence of some truly monumental issue, we normally think that that candidate is a narcissistic and unprincipled person who has just shown why s/he should never, ever be President.

There is absolutely no reason not to apply these same standards to Hillary Clinton. Right now, instead of floating demands in the press and comparing herself to abolitionists and suffragists, she could be telling her supporters that she lost fair and square; that while there was a lot of sexism in the campaign, there was racism as well, and that sexism does not explain why a candidate with literally every institutional advantage over her opponent lost the nomination. She could be reaching out to the voters who supported her in places where Obama has had trouble, and urging them to vote for him. She could, in a word, be doing the right thing: trying to earn that respect she seems to want.

Instead, she's throwing tantrums, making demands that she has no right to make, and threatening civil war.

I can't imagine a better demonstration of why she should not be President or Vice President. Nor can I imagine a better demonstration of why some of us who are committed feminists are not happy with her as our standard-bearer. She lost. It happens. If she were an adult or a professional, she would deal with it. Apparently, she is neither.

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so I think
Keith Olbermann is exactly right to blow his fuse over this.
Did he over-react? Ok, yes, maybe he did
There ain't no maybe about it. His reaction is clearly over the top and out of proportion to the situation.
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I don't get MSNBC, I only have CNN. I know someone said that his rants have gotten worse lately, but is he this over-the-top about everything?
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i liked keith olbermann a lot more when his mom was getting balls off the face from chuck knoblauch.
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I love Keith Olbermann and believe he can do no wrong.

Seriously, the man is highly intelligent and suffers no fools. He's not a left-wing hack...if a liberal was doing something stupid he'd call them out on it too. I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow and his thoughtful commentaries are Must-See TV, IMHO.
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Far smarter, but still just an O'Reilly mirror, from what I've seen of these clips (we don't have MSNBC here in Australia, do have Fox though). His transcripts read okay, but then with the footage, he just looks and sounds stupid. WHY SO MUCH SHOUTING ON US NEWS!
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I just want to take a moment to point out that many of the "left-leaning" folks here in FYM have managed to make a nuanced and thoughtful criticism of "one of our own." What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
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I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow
Why is it your concern who likes or dislikes his speaking style? What I basically got out of the clip (and I'm an Obama supporter who's never watched Olbermann before) was 'here's some blowhard yelling for 10 minutes straight in the tone of an authoritarian-windbag dad who just caught his daughter in bed with her boyfriend'. Edward R. Murrow? No way. Check out this famous CBS reel from 1954 in which Murrow responds to Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges against him. No histrionics, no shouting, no jerky agitated body language, no snarling the word 'Senator' as if it were a racial epithet...just concise, stick-to-the-facts rebuttal of McCarthy's charges, delivered with calm, dignified conviction. That's not a matter of 'genius,' it's just plain old journalistic professionalism and integrity. (And this despite the fact that McCarthy was openly seeking to get Murrow himself blacklisted at the time...and afterwards Murrow even invited McCarthy onto the show to do a counter-rebuttal--which he did, incompetently). If you enjoy Olbermann's style, fine, that's your right, but obviously quite a few of us found this segment a complete turnoff, regardless of our opinions on the topic of his 'commentary.' I think it's a shame the Obama campaign thought this screed was a good thing to send a transcript of to all the reporters on their contact list.
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I just want to take a moment to point out that many of the "left-leaning" folks here in FYM have managed to make a nuanced and thoughtful criticism of "one of our own." What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
This is my sixth year here. Most of the conservatives who would criticize their own, have left, do to the inability of some to be able to accept any conservative into this community.

Or the inability to have a dialogue without labeling people homophobic, mysogonistic, racist, ect.

Flame on.
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What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
First of all, why?

Second, is that even necessary? I mean, we conservatives are stuck with McCain as the nominee. I could spend all day writing about what I don't like about him.
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I love Keith Olbermann and believe he can do no wrong.

Seriously, the man is highly intelligent and suffers no fools. He's not a left-wing hack...if a liberal was doing something stupid he'd call them out on it too. I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow and his thoughtful commentaries are Must-See TV, IMHO.

funny, republicans say the same thing about bill o'reilly.

this entire thing is silly... i'm the last person to defend hill hill on anything. i despise the woman. but logical people can see her comments, see the explanation and go "oh, okay... yea, i guess that makes sense. still pretty stupid to say, but eh, whatever... no need to have a hissy fit over it." and move on.

she didn't say that obama could get assasinated, and to jump to that conclusion is a rather large stretch.

i will now bath myself for actually defending this woman.
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This is my sixth year here. Most of the conservatives who would criticize their own, have left, do to the inability of some to be able to accept any conservative into this community.

Or the inability to have a dialogue without labeling people homophobic, mysogonistic, racist, ect.

Flame on.



this is my 4th year here. with the exception of a few, conservative posters are simply out-argued here. some of it might have to do with numbers, much of it has to do with the fact that many (not all) conservative posters in here aren't as skilled at making arguments as their left wing counter parts. there are some in here who sometimes fall on the left, and often on the right, and are still in here because of the quality of their arguments.

in a forum with discussion and debate, where ideas are regularly challenged, it does strike me as unfortunate that some conservatives over the years can't stand by their arguments. and given how reactionary this country has been from 2001-2006, perhaps the fact that FYM *isn't* a right-wing echo chamber like the news and the blogosphere was for the first 2/3rds of the Bush presidency simply caused some to feel uncomfortable. some liberal posters are out of line, but most are not. it has little to do with the accepting of conservative arguments and much to do with the non-acceptance of poorly constructed arguments.

i think everyone who's been around here long enough can think of two conservative posters in particular who were strong, valued members of this community -- they seem to have left the website in general, and not so much due to FYM. and the reason they were so valued was because their arguments were thought provoking. i am sorry they have moved on, but i won't apologize for a moment when a thoughtless conservative argument is shot down in here, and if someone wants to take their bat and ball and run home, that's their right, but it's not my problem or fault.
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Why is it your concern who likes or dislikes his speaking style? What I basically got out of the clip (and I'm an Obama supporter who's never watched Olbermann before) was 'here's some blowhard yelling for 10 minutes straight in the tone of an authoritarian-windbag dad who just caught his daughter in bed with her boyfriend'. Edward R. Murrow? No way. Check out this famous CBS reel from 1954 in which Murrow responds to Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges against him. No histrionics, no shouting, no jerky agitated body language, no snarling the word 'Senator' as if it were a racial epithet...just concise, stick-to-the-facts rebuttal of McCarthy's charges, delivered with calm, dignified conviction. That's not a matter of 'genius,' it's just plain old journalistic professionalism and integrity. (And this despite the fact that McCarthy was openly seeking to get Murrow himself blacklisted at the time...and afterwards Murrow even invited McCarthy onto the show to do a counter-rebuttal--which he did, incompetently). If you enjoy Olbermann's style, fine, that's your right, but obviously quite a few of us found this segment a complete turnoff, regardless of our opinions on the topic of his 'commentary.' I think it's a shame the Obama campaign thought this screed was a good thing to send a transcript of to all the reporters on their contact list.
Yes, his commentary on Friday was especially passionate, but to judge Keith based on that one "special comment" is not fair either. He has done several commentaries prior with a much more level headed demeanor. I think this was the straw that broke it. His frustration with Hillary is something that has been building up not only in him but in a large number of us I suspect.
Did you see his special commentary on Hillary months ago?
He totally gave her the benefit of the doubt, defending her and then proceeded to say why he couldn't that particular time.
Friday was the definitely the last straw. This wasn't
so much an uncontrolled tantrum, it was a loooooooog time coming...
Watch this one:
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i miss the keith who'd just make witty comments about putting the biscuit in the basket
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