Justice for Jessica........

[deep]

Originally posted by diamond





Please tell me how you interpret this

What would you interpret "mill stone and cast into the sea and drown" to mean exactly?

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond
Please do not tell that you interpret this as poetry as you've done in the past, for if you do this justifies leaving you on permenant ignore status.

[A_Wanderer]

Stick him in a coma until he dies of natural causes.

[phillyfan26]

The biggest flaw in the idea of the death penalty is that there is always a chance that the person is actually not guilty. It happens. You hear and read the stories. Why take the chance that you are killing someone who is not guilty? The justice system is built on the idea that a guilty verdict derives from a belief beyond a reasonable doubt. Not certainty.

[BVS]

Originally posted by diamond


Read Matt 18:6.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

What would you interpret "mill stone and cast into the sea and drown" to mean exactly?


Please do not tell me that you interpret this as poetry as you've done in the past with other verses, for if you do this justifies leaving you on permenant ignore status.

dbs

Never have I once ever said "as poetry" so you may want to get your facts straight.

You also may want to look at the verse again.

This is the most common interpretation:

‘...whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin...’

Now how does that = whoever kills a child?

Also how does "better for him" = this is what you should do?

Please do tell how you make such leaps of logic.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond


From my view this has nothing to due with vegence, I'm not a vengeful person.

dbs

could you explain this further?

[A_Wanderer]

What about the little ones who don't believe in him? Is it alright to kill kids from non-Christian households?

[diamond]

I believe the KJV.

You can take whatever modern new age version of God's scripture to twist it, to a different meaning and this is a symptom of what's wrong with society.

And in other threads where I posted scripture you said 'err looks like poetry to me' meaning you don't accept the KJV there's no point in dialoging about this subject with you any furthur.


dbs

[martha]

Originally posted by diamond
I believe the KJV.

dbs

An inaccurate translation.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond
I believe the KJV.

You can take whatever modern new age version of God's scripture to twist it, to a different meaning and this is a symptom of what's wrong with society.

The fact that you believe the KJV and then go on to talk about scripture twisting is heavily, heavily ironic and sad.

I could easily make the argument that your belief system is "what's wrong with society."

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond


Read Matt 18:6.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

What would you interpret "mill stone and cast into the sea and drown" to mean exactly?


Please do not tell me that you interpret this as poetry as you've done in the past with other verses, for if you do this justifies leaving you on permenant ignore status.

dbs

and if the Bible had anything to do with the appropriateness of punishments in what is supposed to be a secular legal system, then this will matter.

no Bible quotes, please. i'm so sick of it being used as some sort of trump card, or even this feigning that it's remotely relevant to what we're talking about.

i don't give a shit what Jesus would or would have wanted. Jesus isn't sentencing people to various punishments based on their crimes. Jesus has nothing to do with this one way or another.

let's talk about the Constitution or something that, you know, has something to do with the situation at hand.

[deep]

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond
I believe the KJV.

You can take whatever modern new age version of God's scripture to twist it, to a different meaning and this is a symptom of what's wrong with society.

And in other threads where I posted scripture you said 'err looks like poetry to me' meaning you don't accept the KJV there's no point in dialoging about this subject with you any furthur.


dbs

no one gets punished for violating any rules in the Bible. they get punished for vilating the rule of law as spelled out in the US Constitution and various state constitutions. sure, there's overlap, but the Bible means crap to the justice system.

so let's drop the bible, please.

[U2democrat]

I'm all for discussing Constitutional law over Biblical metaphors

[diamond]

Originally posted by Irvine511




could you explain this further?

Vengence is up to God.

And where he is going to land thru out eternity will be up to God and what God's vengence is, God has all knowledge of our entire lives, our circumstance and situations. What degree of Hell this person suffers in, only God knows.

Our duty as a society is respect the rule of law, not be gleeful about an execution and send him to his Maker and let God decide what he is going to do with him.


dbs

[diamond]

Originally posted by Irvine511




no one gets punished for violating any rules in the Bible. they get punished for vilating the rule of law as spelled out in the US Constitution and various state constitutions. sure, there's overlap, but the Bible means crap to the justice system.

so let's drop the bible, please.

Fine, and that's what happen today.

A poster(s) injected the Savior into the discussion and I have no qualms nor discomfort quoting what Christ said about certain moral crimes, which happen to be violation of certain US laws for some strange reason.

Why most US Laws correlate with a lot of Christian principles well, you can do the math, whether it makes you uncomfortable or not.

dbs

[indra]

Originally posted by Irvine511

no one gets punished for violating any rules in the Bible. they get punished for vilating the rule of law as spelled out in the US Constitution and various state constitutions. sure, there's overlap, but the Bible means crap to the justice system.

so let's drop the bible, please.

Agreed!

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond




Fine, and that's what happen today.

A poster(s) injected the Savior into the discussion and I have no qualms nor discomfort quoting what Christ said about certain moral crimes, which happen to be violation of certain US laws for some strange reason.

Why most US Laws correlate with a lot of Christian principles well, you can do the math, whether it makes you uncomfortable or not.

dbs

We're debating US laws....

If you don't address my other posts, I'm assuming you concede those arguments.

[BVS]

Originally posted by diamond
I believe the KJV.

You can take whatever modern new age version of God's scripture to twist it, to a different meaning and this is a symptom of what's wrong with society.

And in other threads where I posted scripture you said 'err looks like poetry to me' meaning you don't accept the KJV there's no point in dialoging about this subject with you any furthur.


dbs

Wow, just wow...

Even the KJV interpretation doesn't follow your leaps of logic.

"offends" doesn't = kill

nor does

"better for him" = this is what you should do

You can take whatever modern new age version of God's scripture to twist it, to a different meaning and this is a symptom of what's wrong with society.

^and this is just a self righteous, judgemental insult to the millions of Christians who don't happen to read the KJV interpretation. But honestly I expect nothing less from you.

[Vincent Vega]

Originally posted by phillyfan26


We're debating US laws....

If you don't address my other posts, I'm assuming you concede those arguments.

He has probably set you on ignore again. You are certainly too challenging.