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JCoster, I appreciate your sticking with this thread for so long now. Just wanted to say that, incase you're feeling the 'banging head against brickwall' syndrome and that no one's listening. I hope nothing is taken too personally from this thread. I've had major disagreements with some people I really appreciate on here, and I'm glad at the end of the day it doesn't really change much. They might think I am more of an opinionated pain in the arse more than before, but it's never stopped anyone from just moving on!
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I stand by my earlier claim that the DP is flawed, archaic, and unnecessary. However, I wonder why those who do support the DP disagree with those three reasons.
It is a damn shame what happened to Jessica. And not that I'm in support of the DP, but I'm wondering why James Ford Seale (White, former KKK) did not get the DP after kidnapping, and beating 2 19 year old (Black) men, then ductaping their mouths and limbs while still alive and throwing them into the Mississippi River. Instead he was sentenced to life in prison. Actually, I know why he didn't get the DP. I'm just wondering what the pro-DP people have to say about this, since they believe that execution is a deservable punishment after taking the lives of other people. I'm wondering what it is going to take to get people to see that the DP serves no justice. It only breeds racism, violence, and poverty. I wonder how many people get the DP for killing black people. How many minorities are murdered every day in high-crime areas. I don't see the same outrage happening over the loss of their lives. |
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Surely only a few murderers ever get the DP...If the pro-DP people follow their principles of a life for a life wouldn't that mean there should be increased numbers of people receiving the DP?
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FYI....My very close older cousin who was like an older brother to me was gunned down in the street when he was 25 through mistaken identity. The shot was meant for a bunch of guys hanging around in front of another house a few blocks over. My cousin left behind his infant daughter and the shooter was never caught. That same cousin had just broken up a week before from dating a girl named Stacey Mosckowitz who was murdered by the Son of Sam. So I've been related to it to it as well and to this day still believe in the DP. |
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![]() What a wonderful world we live in... I know it is a bit disingenuous to compare the State's use of the DP with Saudia Arabia, North Korea and a host of other "not the most wonderful in the world" states...as the likes of Japan also has the DP...but the list for states without the DP certainly makes for better reading. I wonder what justification the Japanese have for the DP? Or maybe it happens only rarely it doesn't cause such a fuss when it does? |
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I found this article on the Washington Post site, interesting read...seems Japan still uses the DP quite frequently...apparently support for it has ebbed and flowed over the centuries but it seems to be quite high at the moment...the reasons for the support though seem quite unclear.
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I would favor taking race out of the equation. Should Jim Seale received the death penalty? Absolutely. Is there a disproprtionate amount of non whites being executed compared to whites? I'm not sure. If so that that isn't right. I think though the reason is more due to economics. A rich person usually never gets the death penalty, whether they are white black or pink. I understand I'm of the minority opinon here-in support of the death penalty. This thread is about the little girl who was snuffed out by a pedophile, and justice for her. Segues into ppl's understanding of Christianty have dominated this thread with each person's different interpretation of God's word. Profanity has been hurled about, names have been called, and contention has filled this thread. I think that is wrong. Lastly for some that think I'm some heartless, unforgiving judgemental person it may behoove you to know that part time I work as Prison Minister for the State of Arizona Dept Of Corrections, free of charge. For the last 6 months I've been counseling an African American man who is serving a long sentence for molestation of a minor. I visit with and exchange letters often. The prison is about 1 hr from my home. This person is looking to change his life, and feels deeply sorrowful for his actions that wound him up in prison. I don't look at him as an inferior human being, I look at him as somebody with a troubled soul who was raised in wrong circumstances, and although he came from a lousy home, he's still accountable for his actions. I'm there for him and to help him assist him to right the wrongs of his past, and never repeat his mistakes again. Anyway guys I'm busy with work, kids church and my prison ministry activities. I think the hostility in this thread does Jessica a dis service, and for that reason I'm going to bow out. God Bless, dbs |
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I'm not saying Jessicas tragic death doesn't deserve any outcry. It sure as heck does! Nobody deserves a tragedy. All I'm saying is that I don't see people demanding "justice" when someone who is marginalized is murdered, as it happens every day in high-crime communities. I think the justice system is still very much biased and flawed. Thus, sentences as ultimate as the DP have no place in a system full of inconsistencies. |
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and do you not see yourself as the primary instigator of all of this? guess not -- true Christians don't do that, do they. |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Most Christians aren't necessarily right.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Most Christians aren't necessarily right.
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Don't you think that is a little inappropriate?
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re: Most Christians aren't necessarily right.
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which was a reply to a post that suggested "Most Christians would support executing Covey." |
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