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Old 08-25-2007, 11:49 PM   #261
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Perhaps the "Fuck You" is to all those people who don't love their neighbours. I'm sure Johnny Cash met a lot of people who were backstabbing jerks who could act sweet as pie to those who could help them -- after all he was in the music biz.
Indra, you should know by now I'm a world saving person and would give any one of my brothers or sisters the shirt off my back and help anyone in need. I just want peace for everyone, but even I have my limits.
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:49 PM   #262
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My problem is that your context is completely out of wack...
So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:49 PM   #263
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From Genesis:

And from each man too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
I noticed you didn't comment on the link I gave you earlier...
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again please.
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:51 PM   #265
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So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
Where did I say that?

No, just your lack of context is out of whack.
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So your saying the bible is completely out of whack?
Yes.

That's EXACTLY what he said when he stated that:

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My problem is that your context is completely out of wack...
I don't meant to be rude, but....seriously??!!
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:51 PM   #267
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My context came from explanation of the verses pertaining to the DP.
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Here it is again:

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Wow...

First of all most say thou shall not kill. And even if it does say neighbor, neighbor has always been interpreted as humankind.

Otherwise we can pick and choose who we love. If we don't feel like loving someone from another race, we could just say they aren't our neighbor.

You may want to read this, it gives a little context:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/668.htm
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My context came from explanation of the verses pertaining to the DP.
Then you don't understand 'context'.
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:56 PM   #270
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I didn't see your link....

But you don't have to like anyone but you must love your neighbor so that if they are in ANY kind of need you help them.

FYI: I don't only believe in the DP because of my religion.
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I didn't see your link....



Do you see it now?
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:00 AM   #272
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Yes.

That's EXACTLY what he said when he stated that:



I don't meant to be rude, but....seriously??!!
I take it your not a believer.
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I take it your not a believer.
I think she was being sarcastic with the all-caps exactly.
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I didn't see your link....

But you don't have to like anyone but you must love your neighbor so that if they are in ANY kind of need you help them.

FYI: I don't only believe in the DP because of my religion.
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There's no such thing as certainty in a system based on guilt beyond a reasonable doubt either.
True, but I am not burdened by a need to defend the death penalty and I agree. You declare that you feel there is no difference between life in prison and death, some people might feel very differently about that. I still think that the death penalty does hold some attraction if people want a guarantee of finality, even if there is no undoing it.
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I think she was being sarcastic with the all-caps exactly.

Sorry getting tired...
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True, but I am not burdened by a need to defend the death penalty and I agree. You declare that you feel there is no difference between life in prison and death, some people might feel very differently about that. I still think that the death penalty does hold some attraction if people want a guarantee of finality, even if there is no undoing it.
Well, there was much complaining about how if there's no DP they can still commit the crime, and I was referring to that as in no difference.

My problem with the finality argument remains that there's never certainty that ther person commited the crime. You don't want finality in that case: you want a chance to correct a mistake, better late than never.
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I definately would need 100% concrete proof for the dp to be initiated. In this case with John Couey its concrete.
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Well, there was much complaining about how if there's no DP they can still commit the crime, and I was referring to that as in no difference.

My problem with the finality argument remains that there's never certainty that ther person commited the crime. You don't want finality in that case: you want a chance to correct a mistake, better late than never.
People can get out of a prison, they do not rise from the dead.
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I definately would need 100% concrete proof for the dp to be initiated. In this case with John Couey its concrete.
You see, there is no such thing. In our justice system, it's based on guilt beyong a reasonable doubt. Not certainty.
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