John Kerry said what? My mind is officially made up.

Dreadsox · 04-07-2004, 04:29 PM

Please, please tell me John Kerry did not say that Moqtada al-Sadr was a "LEGITIMATE" voice in Iraq.................

Anyone listen to NPR? Did he really say it? Am I going insane, but did the Democratic Candidate for President just say that a man who has been charged by the recognized Iraqi court system as a MURDERER of another muslim cleric was "LEGITIMATE"? Did he just say that the man who has called upon Iraqi's to kill Americans say that this 30-year old who claims that 9/11 was a "Gift from GOD" is "Legitimate"?

I give up! I sincerely give up. Who the

is advising him? Does huis campaign read the

ing news? It is not that hard to keep up with it....go to GOOGLE NEWS. Does he have a freaking policy advisor or someone on the campaign that follows this stuff?

I am sorry....there is not a chance in the world that I can vote for this man. NO WAY.

Dreadsox · 04-07-2004, 04:36 PM

Well, I just heard it from the horses mouth. He did say it....then thought better of it and said let me take back the word legitimate. I can just picture the aid sitting next to him FREAKING out saying NO NO NO....

I am scratching my head. Does he have a clue about Sadr and the newspaper that was shut down?

Elvis · 04-07-2004, 04:38 PM

http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ik...ST;f=8;t=10815

Dreadsox · 04-07-2004, 04:49 PM

The article in that blog fails to mention that he attempted to "take back the word legitimate".

BVS · 04-07-2004, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elvis
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ik...ST;f=8;t=10815

Those people are hilarious

Dreadsox · 04-07-2004, 05:04 PM

People aside...you can start a thread to discuss their points or their humor.

This is bothersome. I listened to it on the radio....I heard the clip. Characterizing SADR as legitimate is so wrong.

BVS · 04-07-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Dreadsox
People aside...you can start a thread to discuss their points or their humor.

This is bothersome. I listened to it on the radio....I heard the clip. Characterizing SADR as legitimate is so wrong.

Ok yes his wording I won't agree with but do you honestly, as they put it, think Kerry is defending this man's behaviour?

Dreadsox · 04-07-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Ok yes his wording I won't agree with but do you honestly, as they put it, think Kerry is defending this man's behaviour?

This man has been in the press for a month. He has called for the killing of Americans. He has killed one of the heads of his religion, and reportedly attempted to kill the one leader who has called on the Shiaa's to remain peaceful. He started his own government during the fall of Saddam.

If you want to be President, fine, but in my mind it is 100% clear that he is NOT up to date. This is a foolish choice of words. Absolutely it is clear in my mind, that he is not surrounding himself with people who are up to date on world events. If I, can go to websites like the CFR site and educate myself on the topics surrounding Iraq, you would think that he would have a policy advisor preparing him for the "tough "questions.

Sadr is responsible for dead Americans and supposedly (NOTE I AM NOT CERTAIN OF THE VALIDITY OF THIS) they are now holding Americans as POWs under his instructions.

deep · 04-07-2004, 11:12 PM

Dread.

I went to the NPR site and listened to the interview.

The extended interview has the quote you mention.

it can be found here.

in the same breath, he says he is NOT legitimate.

W mis-speaks almost everytime he opens his mouth.

I would encouage everyone to listen to the interview.

Can you imagine W giving an eighteen minute interview, taking tough questions. Now that would be really good listening.

Dreadsox · 04-08-2004, 12:18 AM

I will go listen when I am more awake...but I NEVER heard him say he is not legitimate.

I did say he wanted to take it back. I can picture his advisor waving franticly NO NO NO as it was a phone interview if I am not mistaken.

melon · 04-08-2004, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by deep
Can you imagine W giving an eighteen minute interview, taking tough questions. Now that would be really good listening.

As long as Dick Cheney is by his side and he doesn't have to say anything publically, he's a happy camper.

Melon

martha · 04-08-2004, 09:56 AM

I haven't seen anything of this in my newspaper.

verte76 · 04-08-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by martha
I haven't seen anything of this in my newspaper.

Me either--and my local newspaper is definitely conservative, they endorsed Bush in 2000 and will do it again. It's not the "liberal media" around here.

nbcrusader · 04-08-2004, 10:28 AM

Newspapers publish only a fraction of what is out there.

The LA Times is very selective in how it presents the news.

verte76 · 04-08-2004, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nbcrusader
Newspapers publish only a fraction of what is out there.

The LA Times is very selective in how it presents the news.

So is my paper. They do *not* like Kerry. But it's also very sensationalist. The headlines were about the mosque getting hit in Iraq, complete with a gory picture of killings. Two natives of Alabama were killed in Iraq yesterday. One of them was from my mother's home town, Opelika, the town right next to Auburn. I'm starting to hear complaints like "I'm afraid to pick up the paper now".

martha · 04-08-2004, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nbcrusader
Newspapers publish only a fraction of what is out there.

The LA Times is very selective in how it presents the news.

Ok then.

Can anyone give us a link to this from anywhere that is a news outlet and not a flag-waving conservative message board?

ouizy · 04-08-2004, 01:14 PM

I have not heard the quote, nor will I go looking for it, but I have to ask, would it be absurd for a 'foreigner' to characterize people like Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, or Lewis Farrakhan as "legitimate" voices of America?

I only ask because I find the word legitimate very ambiguous.

The most basic definition is "authentic" which you can pretty much chyaracterize any human being as.

I weigh what Kerry is saying versus what Bush is doing. The only thing I see Bush doing is tripping over his own feet in Iraq. I won't even mention the words domestic issues here.

For me there is no choice.

joyfulgirl · 04-08-2004, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ouizy

I weigh what Kerry is saying versus what Bush is doing. The only thing I see Bush doing is tripping over his own feet in Iraq. I won't even mention the words domestic issues here.

For me there is no choice.

pax · 04-08-2004, 01:24 PM

We would be better off ignoring Sadr?

ouizy · 04-08-2004, 01:29 PM

We would not be better off ignoring Sadr, but if you would like me to get radical we would be better off changing our assassination laws.

If the US's goals in Iraq were really to rid the country of Saddam Hussein and his close loyal followers, we could have done that with tactical, surgical strikes that bombed these men from above.

We would not need to risk the lives of thousands of Americans in a guerilla war that is now taking place on the ground by disparate groups, of which we are not even sure if they are friends or foes.

This 'after-war' war was not planned for and now we are stuck knee deep in shit.

There are two ways out of this:

One, we pack up and leave, thus leaving the country a wasteland that we created, or two we stay the course (which will take much longer than Bush will be in office) and we risk thousands of lives, and millions in resources in a country where we are not wanted by its citizens, its rivals, or its neighbors.

A lose-lose situation, and one that was created by our government.

04-07-2004, 04:29 PM	#1
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 11:59 PM	John Kerry said what? My mind is officially made up. Please, please tell me John Kerry did not say that Moqtada al-Sadr was a "LEGITIMATE" voice in Iraq................. Anyone listen to NPR? Did he really say it? Am I going insane, but did the Democratic Candidate for President just say that a man who has been charged by the recognized Iraqi court system as a MURDERER of another muslim cleric was "LEGITIMATE"? Did he just say that the man who has called upon Iraqi's to kill Americans say that this 30-year old who claims that 9/11 was a "Gift from GOD" is "Legitimate"? I give up! I sincerely give up. Who the is advising him? Does huis campaign read the ing news? It is not that hard to keep up with it....go to GOOGLE NEWS. Does he have a freaking policy advisor or someone on the campaign that follows this stuff? I am sorry....there is not a chance in the world that I can vote for this man. NO WAY. __________________

04-07-2004, 04:36 PM	#2
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 11:59 PM	Well, I just heard it from the horses mouth. He did say it....then thought better of it and said let me take back the word legitimate. I can just picture the aid sitting next to him FREAKING out saying NO NO NO.... I am scratching my head. Does he have a clue about Sadr and the newspaper that was shut down? __________________

04-08-2004, 01:24 PM	#19
pax ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ewen's new American home Posts: 11,412 Local Time: 12:59 AM	We would be better off ignoring Sadr? __________________ and you hunger for the time time to heal, desire, time Join Amnesty.

04-08-2004, 01:29 PM	#20
ouizy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: s p o r a t i c Posts: 3,790 Local Time: 12:59 AM	We would not be better off ignoring Sadr, but if you would like me to get radical we would be better off changing our assassination laws. If the US's goals in Iraq were really to rid the country of Saddam Hussein and his close loyal followers, we could have done that with tactical, surgical strikes that bombed these men from above. We would not need to risk the lives of thousands of Americans in a guerilla war that is now taking place on the ground by disparate groups, of which we are not even sure if they are friends or foes. This 'after-war' war was not planned for and now we are stuck knee deep in shit. There are two ways out of this: One, we pack up and leave, thus leaving the country a wasteland that we created, or two we stay the course (which will take much longer than Bush will be in office) and we risk thousands of lives, and millions in resources in a country where we are not wanted by its citizens, its rivals, or its neighbors. A lose-lose situation, and one that was created by our government. __________________

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04-07-2004, 04:38 PM	#3
Elvis Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: May 2000 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,008 Local Time: 08:59 PM	http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ik...ST;f=8;t=10815

04-07-2004, 04:49 PM	#4
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 11:59 PM	The article in that blog fails to mention that he attempted to "take back the word legitimate".

04-07-2004, 05:04 PM	#6
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 11:59 PM	People aside...you can start a thread to discuss their points or their humor. This is bothersome. I listened to it on the radio....I heard the clip. Characterizing SADR as legitimate is so wrong.

04-07-2004, 11:12 PM	#9
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 08:59 PM	Dread. I went to the NPR site and listened to the interview. The extended interview has the quote you mention. it can be found here. in the same breath, he says he is NOT legitimate. W mis-speaks almost everytime he opens his mouth. I would encouage everyone to listen to the interview. Can you imagine W giving an eighteen minute interview, taking tough questions. Now that would be really good listening.

04-08-2004, 12:18 AM	#10
Dreadsox ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,885 Local Time: 11:59 PM	I will go listen when I am more awake...but I NEVER heard him say he is not legitimate. I did say he wanted to take it back. I can picture his advisor waving franticly NO NO NO as it was a phone interview if I am not mistaken.

04-08-2004, 09:56 AM	#12
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,555 Local Time: 09:59 PM	I haven't seen anything of this in my newspaper.

04-08-2004, 10:28 AM	#14
nbcrusader Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,071 Local Time: 08:59 PM	Newspapers publish only a fraction of what is out there. The LA Times is very selective in how it presents the news.

04-08-2004, 01:14 PM	#17
ouizy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: s p o r a t i c Posts: 3,790 Local Time: 12:59 AM	I have not heard the quote, nor will I go looking for it, but I have to ask, would it be absurd for a 'foreigner' to characterize people like Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, or Lewis Farrakhan as "legitimate" voices of America? I only ask because I find the word legitimate very ambiguous. The most basic definition is "authentic" which you can pretty much chyaracterize any human being as. I weigh what Kerry is saying versus what Bush is doing. The only thing I see Bush doing is tripping over his own feet in Iraq. I won't even mention the words domestic issues here. For me there is no choice.