Joe Lieberman on "Axis of Evil"

the HORROR · 02-11-2002, 12:30 PM

Well this is a short post, but I just heard a comment from (sen?) Joe Lieberman on this and his comment was " I don't think these countries are the axis of evil, I think they ARE evil". It was a short clip on FOX News Channel just now.

Because this group has very thoughtful posts and replies, I would value your opinions on his comment either way.

I say good for you, Mr. Lieberman. Assuming he means their leadership's intentions and not the whole of the nations, of course.

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"So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

U2Bama · 02-11-2002, 12:50 PM

It's acceptable for Senator Lieberman to say that; he's a Democrat.

melon · 02-11-2002, 01:10 PM

Sen. Lieberman isn't exactly your epitome of liberal Democrat. He openly has differed with the party on certain issues. Hence, I am not really surprised as to what he has said, although I would also not say that he is totally representative of the party itself. That would be like saying that the opinions of Sen. Jeffords of Vermont was representative of the Republican Party before he switched over. With that, I believe there was a Republican Congressman who was angered at Bush's "axis of evil" statement. I wish I remembered his name, but heard his statement on NBC.

I would be interested in hearing what other key Democrats have said in regards to this statement before I reserve any further judgment.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

U2Bama · 02-11-2002, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by melon:
With that, I believe there was a Republican Congressman who was angered at Bush's "axis of evil" statement. I wish I remembered his name, but heard his statement on NBC.

Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska), usually very conservative and from a very conservative state.

camiloj · 02-11-2002, 01:19 PM

All this talk of calling other countries evil is really nothing new for those of us over 30 and who can remember the Reagan era. He called Russia the "evil empire".

the HORROR · 02-11-2002, 01:24 PM

I wasn't really sure how to recieve that statement when I heard it because I haven't really seen much of Sen. Lieberman. The whole campaign was AL GORE and AL GORE and also some AL GORE. Perhaps, there is something to this Lieberman guy? Maybe I am just all warm and fuzzy whenever I hear democratic support of Bush.

So Melon, when is our boy Joe switching parties?

And when you say "key Democrats", please don't tell me you are referring to DICK Gephardt or Tom Dasshole

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"So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

the HORROR · 02-11-2002, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska), usually very conservative and from a very conservative state.

Who does he think he is? John McCain??

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"So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

melon · 02-11-2002, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by the HORROR:
So Melon, when is our boy Joe switching parties?

It's funny. In the U.K., the Tories have a substantial moderate wing (see John Major) and a substantial conservative wing (see Margaret Thatcher). They don't make any secret of it either. With Republicans, there is this constant attempt at "unity," and the moderate Republicans seem to be drowned out by the conservatives.

Yes, Lieberman does have his conservative elements, but he still has many Democratic elements to him as well. You'll have to ask him yourself one day why he is a Democrat over a Republican.

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And when you say "key Democrats", please don't tell me you are referring to DICK Gephardt or Tom Dasshole

Hmm...this coming from a Republican VP named "DICK" and a Republican President named "BUSH." When "Dick" and "Bush" get together, it's bound to be messy.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

U2Bama · 02-11-2002, 01:31 PM

He has been compared to McCain, but he is usually more conservative than the Honorable Senator from Arizona. Hagel has been pushing a Bush-backed campaign finance reform package as an alternate to McCain-Feingold.

~U2Alabama

the HORROR · 02-11-2002, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
He has been compared to McCain, but he is usually more conservative than the Honorable Senator from Arizona. Hagel has been pushing a Bush-backed campaign finance reform package as an alternate to McCain-Feingold.

~U2Alabama

Thank you U2Bama, I sense a little sarcasm in your voice towards McCain. Good for you

Achtung Bubba · 02-12-2002, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2LA:
All this talk of calling other countries evil is really nothing new for those of us over 30 and who can remember the Reagan era. He called Russia the "evil empire".

Yeah, and it caused a great commotion in the press, if I recall.

It caused such a reaction then (as the "Axis of Evil" comment does know) because it is the exception, not the rule. Rather, over the last twenty years we've seen administrations go from "rogue states" to "states of concern", etc. We've seen politicians completely unwilling to call evil states "evil" for fear of upsetting people.

That said, Lieberman was right in his comments - though I STILL don't fully trust a guy who looks WAY too much like Senator Palpatine from The Phantom Menace:

Creepy, man. Creepy.

Lemonite · 02-12-2002, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by the HORROR:
So Melon, when is our boy Joe switching parties?

You Know.. I'm not so sure that something like this isn't going on.. this time in favor of the Republicans.. I forget the name I heard being tossed around, but There was something sort of underground that I read of this sorts.. a Democrat possibly switching sides in the SEnate...

OFf to dig a bit more,

L.Unplugged

Anthony · 02-12-2002, 02:36 AM

Mr. Leiberman needs a lesson in ethics.

And a brain capable to learn from such a lesson.

Ant.

the HORROR · 02-12-2002, 08:30 AM

LoL Achtung Bubba!

They do look a lot alike

"Emperor Lieberman"

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"So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

the HORROR · 02-12-2002, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:
Hmm...this coming from a Republican VP named "DICK" and a Republican President named "BUSH." When "Dick" and "Bush" get together, it's bound to be messy.

Melon

LOL Melon

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"So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

Klodomir · 02-12-2002, 11:42 AM

Comments like that (and I'm referring to the original cute soundbite since nobody outside of the US cares about Senator Lieberman) only serve to paint a big fat bullseye on the United States. Good luck.

Achtung Bubba · 02-12-2002, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Klodomir:
Comments like that (and I'm referring to the original cute soundbite since nobody outside of the US cares about Senator Lieberman) only serve to paint a big fat bullseye on the United States. Good luck.

I think the bull's-eye has been on us for a very long time.

Klodomir · 02-12-2002, 01:22 PM

Isn't it time to start erasing it, then? Or is it easier to erase your enemies?

Anthony · 02-12-2002, 03:50 PM

Ian McDiarmid (the guy who plays Senator Palpatine) isn't creepy at all, he's a really nice guy. I spotted him at Starbucks once and asked for his autograph, not only did he give me that but he drew a smiley face on my napkin.

Really sweet guy.

Ant.

Achtung Bubba · 02-12-2002, 11:26 PM

I'm sure McDiarmid is a great guy... and I've liked him in every movie I've seen him (see also: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and Sleepy Hollow).

Now, in response to Klodomir:

Isn't it time to start erasing it, then? Or is it easier to erase your enemies?

Having a target on your chest isn't necessarily a bad thing: consider that cops
are probably quite often specifically targeted by criminals - because they're trying to enforce the law.

While nobody's perfect, I believe that there ARE good guys and bad guys. And I also believe bad guys target the good guys that are the biggest threat to their plans; hence, the attacks on NYC and DC, and not on Paris or Munich.

In this case, I HONESTLY believe we were targeted for doing more-or-less the right things (defending Israel, etc.). Thus we should NOT try to appease the thugs and ask them to stop targeting us.

We should engage them with overwhelming military force.

02-11-2002, 12:30 PM	#1
the HORROR Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detainee at the training camp for Liberals Posts: 57 Local Time: 10:06 PM	Joe Lieberman on "Axis of Evil" Well this is a short post, but I just heard a comment from (sen?) Joe Lieberman on this and his comment was " I don't think these countries are the axis of evil, I think they ARE evil". It was a short clip on FOX News Channel just now. Because this group has very thoughtful posts and replies, I would value your opinions on his comment either way. I say good for you, Mr. Lieberman. Assuming he means their leadership's intentions and not the whole of the nations, of course. ------------------ "So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52 __________________

02-11-2002, 12:50 PM	#2
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:06 PM	It's acceptable for Senator Lieberman to say that; he's a Democrat. __________________

02-12-2002, 11:26 PM	#20
Achtung Bubba Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: One Nation. Under God. Posts: 1,513 Local Time: 05:06 PM	I'm sure McDiarmid is a great guy... and I've liked him in every movie I've seen him (see also: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and Sleepy Hollow). Now, in response to Klodomir: Isn't it time to start erasing it, then? Or is it easier to erase your enemies? Having a target on your chest isn't necessarily a bad thing: consider that cops are probably quite often specifically targeted by criminals - because they're trying to enforce the law. While nobody's perfect, I believe that there ARE good guys and bad guys. And I also believe bad guys target the good guys that are the biggest threat to their plans; hence, the attacks on NYC and DC, and not on Paris or Munich. In this case, I HONESTLY believe we were targeted for doing more-or-less the right things (defending Israel, etc.). Thus we should NOT try to appease the thugs and ask them to stop targeting us. We should engage them with overwhelming military force. __________________

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02-11-2002, 01:10 PM	#3
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 06:06 PM	Sen. Lieberman isn't exactly your epitome of liberal Democrat. He openly has differed with the party on certain issues. Hence, I am not really surprised as to what he has said, although I would also not say that he is totally representative of the party itself. That would be like saying that the opinions of Sen. Jeffords of Vermont was representative of the Republican Party before he switched over. With that, I believe there was a Republican Congressman who was angered at Bush's "axis of evil" statement. I wish I remembered his name, but heard his statement on NBC. I would be interested in hearing what other key Democrats have said in regards to this statement before I reserve any further judgment. Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

02-11-2002, 01:19 PM	#5
camiloj War Child Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 698 Local Time: 05:06 PM	All this talk of calling other countries evil is really nothing new for those of us over 30 and who can remember the Reagan era. He called Russia the "evil empire".

02-11-2002, 01:24 PM	#6
the HORROR Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detainee at the training camp for Liberals Posts: 57 Local Time: 10:06 PM	I wasn't really sure how to recieve that statement when I heard it because I haven't really seen much of Sen. Lieberman. The whole campaign was AL GORE and AL GORE and also some AL GORE. Perhaps, there is something to this Lieberman guy? Maybe I am just all warm and fuzzy whenever I hear democratic support of Bush. So Melon, when is our boy Joe switching parties? And when you say "key Democrats", please don't tell me you are referring to DICK Gephardt or Tom Dasshole ------------------ "So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

02-11-2002, 01:31 PM	#9
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:06 PM	He has been compared to McCain, but he is usually more conservative than the Honorable Senator from Arizona. Hagel has been pushing a Bush-backed campaign finance reform package as an alternate to McCain-Feingold. ~U2Alabama

02-12-2002, 02:36 AM	#13
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 10:06 PM	Mr. Leiberman needs a lesson in ethics. And a brain capable to learn from such a lesson. Ant.

02-12-2002, 08:30 AM	#14
the HORROR Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detainee at the training camp for Liberals Posts: 57 Local Time: 10:06 PM	LoL Achtung Bubba! They do look a lot alike "Emperor Lieberman" ------------------ "So Mr. Bin Laden, I hear you have an intrest in our airplanes...Let me show you this one, we like to call it the B-52

02-12-2002, 11:42 AM	#16
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 11:06 PM	Comments like that (and I'm referring to the original cute soundbite since nobody outside of the US cares about Senator Lieberman) only serve to paint a big fat bullseye on the United States. Good luck.

02-12-2002, 01:22 PM	#18
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 11:06 PM	Isn't it time to start erasing it, then? Or is it easier to erase your enemies?

02-12-2002, 03:50 PM	#19
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 10:06 PM	Ian McDiarmid (the guy who plays Senator Palpatine) isn't creepy at all, he's a really nice guy. I spotted him at Starbucks once and asked for his autograph, not only did he give me that but he drew a smiley face on my napkin. Really sweet guy. Ant.