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Old 11-04-2007, 04:40 PM   #21
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Bush is a tool, and I'm sure Hilary will be a tool too."
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:42 PM   #22
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I don't get this type of thinking. It's brought up too frequently on interference, that any religion in U2's music cannot be ignored, or implied that someone can't listen without ever even seeing/hearing religion in it in the first place. People on this site need to stop transposing their own music views onto everyone else. I can guarantee you that U2 appeal to more than the Christian component, or the generic religious component. There's some very godless people who like U2 for, wait for it, reasons which have bugger all to do with god, jesus, religion, the bible, some message from such, church, grace or karma etc!
I agree.
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:46 PM   #23
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The link posted is actually a video 'Jesus loves Amerika' from "The Shamen".
Thanks for the info.

So, I guess that means the "discussion material" is basically this:

By radio wave, and satellite
And computer print-out page
There's a brand new breed of pharacee
For the electronic age
From the land so free, home of the brave
So white they're squeaky clean
So prosperous and odious
With malignant piety
Yeah these are the men who break the right in righteous
Such hypocrisy, stupidity is truly out of sight, yes

Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither
Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither

So infiltrate, indoctrinate
Inflict their lunacy
Intolerance and ignorance
Upon humanity
May the hand of God, please cut me down
Should I sing I'm true to thee
For couragenous lies and dollar signs
Are just fascist fallacies
They offer to you salvation by the nation
Keep that money coming forth
Make heaven your destination

Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither
Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither

Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither
Jesus loves Amerika, but I don't love neither



Not exactly an enticingly substantive critique there...
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:49 PM   #24
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It would be more incisive if it was AmeriKKKa.
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:56 PM   #25
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Nah, I think the real gist of the thread lies in his 2nd post:

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Religion threads tend to give me a headache these days, if only because they tend to devolve into this "all or nothing" attitude. That is, you have to be a fascist Christian fundamentalist or an atheist to live in this world today.
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One of these days, when I have more time, I will probably write an essay on this subject for everyone's reading amusement here. .
Oooh. But I'd love to read this! Dangit, Melon, you're always taunting us with promises like this. . .

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The link posted is actually a video 'Jesus loves Amerika' from "The Shamen". It's not a song I'm familiar with, and not really very representative of their music.

BTW someone has rather unsuccessfully remixed U2's Vertigo with The Shamen's Move any Mountain and this is also on Youtube:-

It is very representative of their music. In the 80's their where a rock band, listen to their albums "Drop", wich is a totaly psycadelic rock album, inspeired by Pink Floy, 13th Floor Elevator, Simon And Garfunkel, Beatles...

Here are the album, Drop:


w w w . send space .com/file/ilj386


This song contain a prayer from Samuel Clemens(Usa)


My point with this thread is to discuss the dangeruous of fundamentalists in Usa
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My point with this thread is to discuss the dangeruous of fundamentalists in Usa
Well, their are dangerous wackos all over the world of every religious stripe (and yes, even some of no religious stripe imagine that!). Unless you really see the fundamentalists really have a shot at taking over the country. . .okay granted with Bush's presidency these past years I could see how you could be a LITTLE concerned. . .but still, it's not like the theocrats have taken over the army and are threatening martial law or anything. . .

You're attempt to paint believers--even fundamentalist believers-- with such a dark brush would be like me trying to say that Stalin is representative of all atheists, and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that.
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What's there to discuss?
Dangerous? Check
Fundamentalist? Check

Case solved.

The song? Not really.
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I'm a practicing Catholic, but I'm a liberal one. I don't believe the stuff in the Bible about gays or women being inferior. You can't write off the whole thing just because some parts of it are objectionable. That's the way I look at it. Hell, the Episcopal Church in this country is ordaining gays. Many churches ordain women.
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I don't get this type of thinking. It's brought up too frequently on interference, that any religion in U2's music cannot be ignored, or implied that someone can't listen without ever even seeing/hearing religion in it in the first place. People on this site need to stop transposing their own music views onto everyone else. I can guarantee you that U2 appeal to more than the Christian component, or the generic religious component. There's some very godless people who like U2 for, wait for it, reasons which have bugger all to do with god, jesus, religion, the bible, some message from such, church, grace or karma etc!
That's the beauty of this band. They appeal to people of all faiths or no faith.
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I don't get this type of thinking. It's brought up too frequently on interference, that any religion in U2's music cannot be ignored, or implied that someone can't listen without ever even seeing/hearing religion in it in the first place. People on this site need to stop transposing their own music views onto everyone else. I can guarantee you that U2 appeal to more than the Christian component, or the generic religious component. There's some very godless people who like U2 for, wait for it, reasons which have bugger all to do with god, jesus, religion, the bible, some message from such, church, grace or karma etc!
I'll just encompass everyone who responed to my question, by responding to this post.

I think there was a misunderstanding caused by me not being very clear. I know and am glad that U2 appeals to people outside the Christian market. They're ambiguous and their lyrics and music are about the honesty of the human condition. It's about where they're at at a particular stage in their life. It's honest and real, it's not fake shit about skipping through lands of rainbows and ponies with Jesus, like so much "Christian" music is. As Bono has said, "We've sort of drawn our fish in the sand, it's there for people who are interested. It shouldn't be for those who aren't." In the early days of Christianity, when being a Christian could get you killed, a Christian would often draw half a fish (a symbol of Christianity, stemming from Jesus telling the disciples to be "fishers of man") in the sand to find out if someone else was a Christian. If the other person drew the other half, they obviously understood and were likely a Christian. If they didn't, than they were probably not a Christian. I feel like Bono is spot on in comparing U2's music to that act. Those of us who are Christians can sense that message of the love and grace of God coming through. Those of you may not be Believers still sense love and grace, perhaps, but not from God. That's awesome too! I'm glad U2 has fans from every racial, religious, cultural, social, etc. background. I've met many people on here and otherwise who may not be practicing a specific faith that talk about how they love the Biblical imagery Bono uses in his writing. However, they appreciate simply as beautiful literature. Peterrrr, from my understanding, was saying the entire Bible was horrible and something he was uninterested in. I was asking how he could listen to music that prominently features words and concepts he hates. Later though, he clarified that he was talking about specific issues The Bible talks about, as opposed to The Bible itself. I think it was just a lack of clarity on all our parts. I hope I cleared things up for you!
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Well, and some people don't care for lyrics at all.
When I started listening to U2, my English was not much more than "yes" and "no".
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BTW someone has rather unsuccessfully remixed U2's Vertigo with The Shamen's Move any Mountain and this is also on Youtube:-

Wow, "Move Any Mountain"! What a blast from the past. I used to love that song! I'll have to check that out when I get home.
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:51 AM   #35
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So what is the point of this thread?
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(north)amerika is not the world...
i can see some influence to Achtung Baby and the ZooTv shows.
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I'll just encompass everyone who responed to my question, by responding to this post.

I think there was a misunderstanding caused by me not being very clear. I know and am glad that U2 appeals to people outside the Christian market. They're ambiguous and their lyrics and music are about the honesty of the human condition. It's about where they're at at a particular stage in their life. It's honest and real, it's not fake shit about skipping through lands of rainbows and ponies with Jesus, like so much "Christian" music is. As Bono has said, "We've sort of drawn our fish in the sand, it's there for people who are interested. It shouldn't be for those who aren't." In the early days of Christianity, when being a Christian could get you killed, a Christian would often draw half a fish (a symbol of Christianity, stemming from Jesus telling the disciples to be "fishers of man") in the sand to find out if someone else was a Christian. If the other person drew the other half, they obviously understood and were likely a Christian. If they didn't, than they were probably not a Christian. I feel like Bono is spot on in comparing U2's music to that act. Those of us who are Christians can sense that message of the love and grace of God coming through. Those of you may not be Believers still sense love and grace, perhaps, but not from God. That's awesome too! I'm glad U2 has fans from every racial, religious, cultural, social, etc. background. I've met many people on here and otherwise who may not be practicing a specific faith that talk about how they love the Biblical imagery Bono uses in his writing. However, they appreciate simply as beautiful literature. Peterrrr, from my understanding, was saying the entire Bible was horrible and something he was uninterested in. I was asking how he could listen to music that prominently features words and concepts he hates. Later though, he clarified that he was talking about specific issues The Bible talks about, as opposed to The Bible itself. I think it was just a lack of clarity on all our parts. I hope I cleared things up for you!
I should have been clear that it wasn't directed specifically to you, too I noticed it was a common theme in the U2 parts of this site back when I used to read them.
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