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Old 08-21-2002, 08:43 PM   #41
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Good for you Oz, I appreciate your candidness but that "arrogance" goes both ways you know.

I wish we would have not helped ANYONE since WWII and shut our doors too.

I think America would be a much more prosperous country if we would have ignored the rest of the world in our own self-intrest and blasted anyone that looked at us funny.

Arrogant-yes, but I dont really feel that way of course.

Name me how Australia has joined in the fight to rid the world of Terrorism?

How has Australia tried to rid the world of hunger?
ok I really dont think I am being arrogant at all, I think that for some people sometimes the truth hurts and as a result they get a little bit upset........and to be quite honest I think that since WW11 America's involvement in many foreign affairs where the notion has appeared to be one of doing good has in reality and in retrospect been blatant interference and propaganda, just think of Korea, Vietnam, the cold war, Nicaragua, the Iran contra and now the so called war on terrorism and the Australian Prime Minister has aided the American's in the war against terrorism, I dont agree with it, but at this very moment there are Australian SAS troops in Afganistan, but oh yes, you wouldn't know that hey, funny how certain things never seem to filter into the mass American media, but it goes the other way, we always seem to know what is happening in your country politically, but I guess this just makes us more wordly hey????? and Australian's do heaps politically and on a foreign aid levle, of course probably not as much money is spent as is the case with America, which is obvious because we are a smaller country, but dont start making false acqusations that only American's actively do things that are of a humanitarian or foreign aid nature, again that just exemplifies that arrogance.........
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Perhaps you need to consider the possibility that people who criticise some things about America (namely American foreign policy) are motivated by something other than jealousy.
like arrogance?

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I'm not jealous of America. I don't want to make my home country (UK) more like America. I'm not sure what Americans have that I might be jealous of. Sure I'd love it if U2 were in the UK more often but if I wanted to express that then I'd say "I wish U2 would tour near my home more often" not "I'm disgusted by America's involvement in putting General Pincohet in power."

I know some people brought up the fact that they've been accused of being anti-American, which is quite relevant to this thread. I don't really understand why people assume that if someone is critical of America it automatically means they hate everything about the country.
Um why do the non-americans and the american -lib (Bush haters) find it so necessary to post 20.000 threads about "AMERICA this" or "AMERICA that"?

I am tired of it. I am a critic of what I don't like about America, I live here. One thing I was taught in my world travels to be a good diplomat to our friends was to be polite and considerate of the customs of our guests.

I'll be DAMNED if I were to visit ENGLAND and go up to locals and say "you drive funny" and "you talk like wussies". Or "you guys are weak and your military is week and your leaders are stupid cowards"

You see, that is totally unacceptable coming from an arrogant american, not the other way around though.

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I'm sure you already know my views on America's foreign policy but perhaps you don't know that I spent an exchange year in the US because I wanted to learn more about the country, perhaps you don't know that many of my favourite musicians are American or that I love American TV shows or that I'm watching an American news channel right now. I'm not anti-American, if I hated America I wouldn't listen to American music or read American literature.
listening to our music, tv, or shopping at our malls does not make you a "good neighbor" or "america friendly"

Whereas if I go to Kuwait to liberate them from Iraq, you could say I am on their side.

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I don't hate America, I just think the American government has done some very bad things in the past.
this is the type of crap comments I am talking about. Yet it is perfectly welcome here in a U2 forum.

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Tell me, when I say that Britain does something wrong, do you call me anti-British? When I say that I think Britain has behaved disgracefully towards Ireland for the last eight hundred years, am I anti-British? When I say that our higher education funding system is a disgrace, am I anti-British? Of course I'm not, and there are plenty of other criticisms I could add there, so why when I criticise America must I be accused of being anti-American?
This arguement you all always attempt to try and put up does not work for me.

I don't care what you say about your country, it obviously does not affect you and why should it me?

I would go out of my way to NOT say anything offensive about your country as not to offend you (part of good upbringing not arrogance) , yet you go out of your way to do so to me.

As usual, we americans go the extra mile to be courteous to others only for them to not reciprocate
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Old 08-21-2002, 08:53 PM   #43
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You know what, I'm tired of this crap.

z you need to change your attitude around here. I'm serious.

DISCUSS AND DEBATE IN AN ADULT MANNER!

Why the fuck is it so difficult???

If this thread hasnt calmed down when I get back its getting closed.
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Z edge,/spyplane, whoever you are today, this is Amanda btw, I really like you matey, but please...
Australia was the FIRST country, yes THE FIRST, to offer America its support with our military in the war against terror. Our Prime Minister was in your country and offered all the help he could give to you.
Im sure Ive said the same to Bubba before on this. America's population is a lot greater than Australia's so obviously your military power is also, therefore we may not 'appear' to be helping to the average American, but we were there and HAVE ALWAYS been there helping the States in every frigging major war.
We lost innocent men fighting your war against terror, so go tell your opinions to the wife and family of those soldiers and reporters who died, HELPING AMERICA.
Some of our troops have only just arrived home after being over there fighting, helping you guys.

We have been there for a long time helping America, there's a thing called ANZUS you might want to look up.

14 September 2001


U.S.-Australia Treaty Article IV Applies to Terrorist Attacks
ANZUS Treaty -- U.S.-Australia mutual defense treaty

The United States and Australia have concluded that Article IV of their mutual defense treaty -- the ANZUS Treaty -- "applies to the terrorist attacks on the United States," according to a September 14 White House statement.

"The tragic events of September 11, 2001 took place just one day after President Bush and Prime Minister Howard stood together in Washington, D.C. to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U.S.-Australia alliance," the White House noted.

Following is the statement:


The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
September 14, 2001
Statement By The Press Secretary

The Governments of Australia and the United States have concluded that Article IV of their mutual defense treaty applies to the terrorist attacks on the United States.

The United States welcomes Australia's decision to join us in applying the ANZUS Treaty, which serves to reinforce the strong bonds of friendship and shared values that unite the American and Australian people. The tragic events of September 11, 2001 took place just one day after President Bush and Prime Minister Howard stood together in Washington, D.C. to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U.S.-Australia alliance. Although our alliance with Australia was crafted under very different circumstances than exist now, the events of September 11, 2001 are a powerful reminder that the alliance and our shared commitments are no less valid today.

Australia shares our assessment of the gravity of the situation and is resolute in its commitment to work with the United States and all freedom loving people to combat international terrorism.

In the days and weeks to come, we will consult closely with our Australian allies regarding an effective response to these attacks.




Boy, get your facts straight before you start accusing a WHOLE country of not helping.
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You know what, I'm tired of this crap.

z you need to change your attitude around here. I'm serious.

DISCUSS AND DEBATE IN AN ADULT MANNER!

Why the fuck is it so difficult???

If this thread hasnt calmed down when I get back its getting closed.
My attitude?

No I don't!

IF you want to use your ELITE POWER to run me out of here, then do so...

But if you want to be fair then look at what is STILL going on in here...

NOTHING has changed in this place

STILL the same old crap

I AM sick of it

An adult would not go out of their way to intentionally insult something somebody else holds dear; out of jealousy or spite or whatever.

Perhaps I will keep my adult donation money to myself, since I am not considered an adult
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Old 08-21-2002, 09:33 PM   #46
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Oz and Cowmanda
I stand corrected
Pls accept my apologies and thanks too
You are both groovers
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Old 08-21-2002, 09:51 PM   #48
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Ah shite
Im getting all choked up here

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I'm not sure what Americans have that I might be jealous of.


ICE!!!!!!!!


I mean no disrespect but I still didn't get why they would serve luke warm water. I understand the whole "The more ice the less drink" logic (even though I would rather have ice- lots of it!), but with water it doesn't matter. Luke warm water wasn't exactly refreshing.
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ICE!!!!!!!!


I mean no disrespect but I still didn't get why they would serve luke warm water. I understand the whole "The more ice the less drink" logic (even though I would rather have ice- lots of it!), but with water it doesn't matter. Luke warm water wasn't exactly refreshing.

LoL at first I thought you meant Vanilla Ice

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Umm.
This is getting a bit syrupy..funkygirl

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My attitude?

No I don't!

IF you want to use your ELITE POWER to run me out of here, then do so...

But if you want to be fair then look at what is STILL going on in here...

NOTHING has changed in this place

STILL the same old crap

I AM sick of it

An adult would not go out of their way to intentionally insult something somebody else holds dear; out of jealousy or spite or whatever.

Perhaps I will keep my adult donation money to myself, since I am not considered an adult
I am talking about the way you talk to other people here.

Now you're calling me Elite?

Real nice.
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I'm REALLY tired...
but im awake enough to say this...

The decription of this forum is:

"This is an off-topic forum. Discuss politics, spirituality, religion, world events."

I DO NOT SEE ANYWHERE where it says to argue and beat each other over the head. Do you?

From now on, if people cant BEHAVE in this forum, we'll just start denying access one at a time I suppose. It's not a threat... it's unfortunately becoming a reality.

*sigh*

PS... Y'all best start taking Sicys warnings seriously... cuz if you end up having to deal with me... youre gonna regret it
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