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Old 10-31-2005, 02:45 PM   #21
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maybe they'll go Bjork on him
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we have a catholic majority on the court -- pending his confirmation, there will be 5.

it's awfully white, though, isn't it?

and male.
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This is quite scary to me.
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I guess qualifications are no longer important if you can try and derail a nomination with shots at race, sex or religion.
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we have a catholic majority on the court -- pending his confirmation, there will be 5.

it's awfully white, though, isn't it?

and male.
1 minority
1 woman

This is 2005....somethings quite "wrong" about this picture. This shouldn't be.
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it's awfully white, though, isn't it?

and male.
Who cares? I think their qualifications and experience matter a lot more than traits (i.e. gender, skin colour) that they didn't even choose.
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Could his family be trying to tell us something?


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Glad to see my predictions are coming true.....

An excellent choice! I rather liked the first one, but this one will do nicely.

I wonder though, will there be a revolt in the street when he is confirmed.

He is Catholic...giving them the majority of the court....awful.
He is white....fuck that man....can't have a white.
He is straight....by golly, there are not enough gays on the court...
He is male...holy shite...can't have that.

God forbid he be a decent judge...someone Ted Kennedy himself had VERY high PRAISE for. Oh wait, he is biased....he is Catholic.

I wanted the woman....
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Is it another of Clinton's women with their love children?
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not surprising... a the only thing he's really "fought" for was a spousal notification clause in abortion law...
those kids are fair haired

and he is dark haired

and mom has a sly smile
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Who cares? I think their qualifications and experience matter a lot more than traits (i.e. gender, skin colour) that they didn't even choose.


i think people who aren't straight, white, christian males might be a little upset at the fact that there is no representation of different walks of life on the judicial body that pretty much determines the social climate of the United States.

people who aren't straight, white, christian males are well aware that their minority status in life often offers a different perspective on life and the law.
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I guess qualifications are no longer important if you can try and derail a nomination with shots at race, sex or religion.

no, he seems immensely qualified. wrong, but qualified.

its the overall character of the court that people are concerned about.

the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
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the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
Bringing in race at this point is a sad way to steer the conversation.

You never mentioned race when a white woman was nominated.

I guess it is not the principle, but what ever weapon seems most handy to attack the other side.
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the whole idea of "race doesn't matter" is a myth pushed by white people to absolve themselves of the reality of social difference.
If only Janice Rogers Brown had been nominated......we would all be holding hands singing Kumbaya.

Oh wait.....
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Bringing in race at this point is a sad way to steer the conversation.

You never mentioned race when a white woman was nominated.

I guess it is not the principle, but what ever weapon seems most handy to attack the other side.


a woman represents an important "minority" status.

it seems entirely reasonable to believe that being a woman has impacted Sandra Day O'Connor's judicial philosphy as well as Ruth Bader Ginsberg's judicial philosophy. same thing with being an African-American for Clarence Thomas.

the law is a living, malleable thing; it is not crunching numbers in an accounting office. these are human beings interpeting a very old document. it astonishes me when people say that "race doesn't matter."
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He is Catholic...giving them the majority of the court....awful.
He is white....fuck that man....can't have a white.
He is straight....by golly, there are not enough gays on the court...
He is male...holy shite...can't have that.


don't worry Dread. with Bush, we're slowly working towards an all straight, white, Christian, male court.

at last, the straight white male Christians will finally have some say in our society!
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race
religion
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gender

should not matter

Blacks referred to Clinton as this first African American President because of his stance and attitude on race issues

he is wrong
because his thinking is too narrow

Spousal notification?

is the basis for that in the constitution?

I guess the founding fathers believed in slavery and male dominance over women

We have had some amendments,
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race
religion
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gender

should not matter

Blacks referred to Clinton as this first African American President because of his stance and attitude on race issues


wow, a rare moment when i disagree with Deep.

also "blacks" is going a bit far -- you might say "Toni Morrison said that ..."

however, it is true that Clinton and the HRC-Bomb are passioantely supported by African-Americans. but that has more to do with, as you say, his stance and attitudes rather than being a de facto member of a certain race.

i'm sorry, but being female or minority or gay or whatever does affect how you interpret and understand the world, and it seems logical that it would affect how you would interpret and understand the law.
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Spousal notification?

is the basis for that in the constitution?

I guess the founding fathers believed in slavery and male dominance over women
Funny how you compare abortion to slavery here. As I remember, back in the days of slavery blacks weren't viewed as on the same level as us "regular" human beings either. They were looked upon as property that was owned by people, which those people could do whatever they pleased with. I'm sure it was much easier to justify that kind of unfair treatment when blacks weren't viewed as equal human beings on the same level as us white people.

Yes, very interesting comparison.
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Funny how you compare abortion to slavery here. As I remember, back in the days of slavery blacks weren't viewed as on the same level as us "regular" human beings either. They were looked upon as property that was owned by people, which those people could do whatever they pleased with. I'm sure it was much easier to justify that kind of unfair treatment when blacks weren't viewed as equal human beings on the same level as us white people.

Yes, very interesting comparison.
Very interesting, indeed.
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