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It should be a Democratic year...then why this???
Good article. Brings up alot of questions I've been asking myself. Given the mood of the country and the absolute disappointment in the Bush Administration Obama should be soaring in the polls. There should be no question that the Democrats will win in November. Half the Republican base (Evangelicals) don't even like John McCain. So what the heck is going on???
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1. the media love the idea of "McCain the Maverick" -- thus, it's allowed him to distance himself from Bush, who's now regarded by 61% of historians as the worst president in history 2. Obama is relatively unknown. both men are gliding by on their reputations at the moment. wait until the fall when you start to see them head-to-head. my guess is that the first debate will be absolutely critical. but feel free to freak out. |
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To be perfectly honest?
I think it's because one of the candidate is a black fella. One who is young and has an "Islam" name to boot. |
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It is his lack of experience that leads you to think that he is young. He is not that young. There are about 5 presidents that were younger. It was right there in the article. Quote:
Something like, 'I like him and expect to enthusiastically support him in a few years when he has some more experience." |
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I do think this is a big part of it. The US is a remarkably conservative country -- more conservative than most people on both sides of the political fence want to admit (the conservatives because who would they blame for all the problems if people finally figured there aren't any liberals in the US? and the so-called liberals because then everyone would realise they aren't really all that different from the conservatives after all) -- and although we say we love "change" "maverick" and "new", we only like new mavericks who look like what we are used to and promote the type of change we are used to and comfortable with. |
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I believe Obama will win.
I base this on the fact that my grandparents all in their 80's and 90's feel McCain is too old. They all supported McCain in 2000. This to me would indicate that the older generation is not sold on him. |
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Deep, I'm not talking about YOU. I know race is not an issue for you--experience is. The question is why isn't this a Democratic year. If you want to argue that the ONLY reason that the race is as tight as it is--that if he'd been in the Senate for 15 years this would be Obama landslide feel free. But I think you would be wrong. Everybody's not as open-minded as you, deep. |
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In order to win he will have to have a lot of people like your grandparents going to the polls to make up for some of the Dem voters and independents who will stay home or vote McCain BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. And as we all know, all it takes is "some"--not even a majority. |
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I think you are right. Racism, some of it unknowing, will take a part in this election. I think indra is right, too, though. The Democrats will increase their margin, but I'm noticing that a lot of these new democrats are more conservative than previous ones. I think the liberals might take a little uncomfortable notice of that. The numbers might be there, but I don't know that it is the hoped-for ideology.
And I think Deep is right too. The makeup of the Congress is going to be as, or more, essential than whoever becomes president. |
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He will be 47 in August 47 years and 5 1/2 months on inauguration day so these men were younger John F. Kennedy was born May 29, 1917; he was elected president in 1960, so that made JFK 44 years old when he was elected. JFK was assassinated on Nov 22, 1963 which made him 46 years old at the time of his death. Robert F. Kennedy was born Nov. 20, 1925; Her ran for president at the age of 42. RFK was assassinated five months shy of his 43rd birthday. William J. Clinton was born Aug. 19, 1946; he was elected at the age of 46. By the way, Bill is listed as the “third youngest President“. If you listen to Hillary, she has never said Obama is too young because, when Bill was running and elected he was the same age Obama is now. (Obama is older than Clinton was, 1 year and 15 days) Ulysses S. Grant was born April 27, 1822 and was 46 years old when he was elected. Theodore Roosevelt was born Oct. 27, 1858 and was 42 years old when he was elected. The youngest U.S. President |
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But that's beside the point. Obama definitely belongs in this little group of younger candidates. The point is his BLACKNESS! He's a "young" black man. . .scary! ![]() |
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Why do you completely over look and dismiss Bill Clinton who was over one year younger than Obama. Did he not earn it? |
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or is it because of his lack of experience? Cast of hundreds advises Obama on foreign policy - International Herald Tribune ( I got this from Drudge, so I know it is true. ) |
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I don't know but I must go swim in my ocean paradise now so I will get back to you later. Take care, my friend. ![]() |
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We really do not know whether this is a Democratic year or not yet, regardless of what polls say. Polls have been remarkably wrong many times in the past, Dewey and Truman, 2004 Iowa Dem Primary, 2008 NH Dem primary to name just top of my head ones. It could very well be that despite not being a remarkable Congress or putting up a remarkable Presidential candidate like Biden or Richardson, the Democrats pick up 3 Senate seats and 10 house seats while Obama beats McCain. In fact, most people are betting on this scenario exactly. Yes, the polls now would be different w/ a more experienced white candidate without an exotic background, that is a fact. However, to judge this as not a Democratic yr when it should be is a bit premature. Obama has a legitimate shot at winning states like Virginia, Georgia, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico, states that Republicans have been very strong in recently. I only worry about Florida because of the strong Hillary Democrats, the elderly and the Jews down there not trusting Obama. However, everything I have seen suggests to me that, as someone else mentioned already, the elderly more than anyone else view McCain's age as a liability. My grandparents are older than him and both cringe when they see him get up to walk. Go figure. Ultimately, we will have a much better understanding of this some time in September.
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Have a good swim - my vote is still up for grabs
If Hillary were the nominee
__________________there would be ignorant people making remarks like "I will not vote for her because she is a woman." and many of her supporters would be saying if Hillary is not elected it is only because of sexism. I do believe that if many of these same people, would have voted for Margaret Thatcher, if given the chance So are they really not voting for Hillary because she is a woman? Or are they just making an ignorant statement ? and yes, I believe they may very well be sexist I give this example, because I have had people tell me they would not vote for Obama in a way that suggested it was about race. and then I asked them if they would have voted for Colin Powell, if they were given the chance? Many of them say yes. could these people have some racist beliefs, yes But that would not stop them from voting for an "acceptable" candidate of color Obama's situation got more complicated because of his close association with Reverend Wright and even that Catholic Priest that made inflammatory statements that have cause some to put an extreme label on Obama. |
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