Is there room for sexuality in children´s books?

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 12:39 PM

I just read about J.K. Rowling letting Dumbledore out of the closet and I am very displeased. I don´t think there was a need to add these things to the book just like there´s no need to mention that Hagrid would be into s&m and Snape into bondage. You know? There´s just no room for it and children don´t need to know about those things.

coemgen · 10-22-2007, 12:41 PM

I agree. If it's not part of the story, why mention it outside of the book? Especially when it's a kids' book?

Irvine511 · 10-22-2007, 12:46 PM

what about the heterosexuality of all the main characters. after all, they all got married at the end and had so much sex with each other that they had lots of children. and how do we get children? S-E-X!!!

funny how we don't mention the flaunting of Harry's heterosexuality when he dances with girls or whatever (i actually know very little about these books). it just gets at a horrible double standard that i am sick to death of. she lets us know that Dumbledore is gay. suddenly, it's all about sex?!?!!?

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 12:52 PM

So, in your view, by saying that Harry has parents and thus implying their heterosexuality then she´s "flaunting" heterosexuality? Please. There was no need to say those things when the books are already finished. With this new information Dumbledore´s affection for Harry has just turned creepy.

BVS · 10-22-2007, 12:53 PM

Wow, what a horrible double standard!!! There's "sexuality" all over children's books. Sleeping beauty gets woken up with a kiss, Cinderella, etc...

There's no room for it as long as it's gay sexuality, that's what you are really saying.

**yolland** · 10-22-2007, 12:54 PM

Why is it "creepy"? You think gay men are incapable of being teachers, therapists, coaches, and otherwise mentors to young boys without getting all pervy and molesting them?

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 12:57 PM

No, but I´d rather not find out the hard way.

rudybay · 10-22-2007, 01:03 PM

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Irvine511 · 10-22-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
No, but I´d rather not find out the hard way.

it is taking every thing i have not to explode at you right now.

i've taugh preschool (3 year olds), assisted in a kindergarten (5 year olds), been a swim instructor (3-12 years old), coached a swim team (7-18 years old), was an SAT tutor (17-18 year olds), and you know what?

I NEVER EVER EVER FUCKING THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT SIMPLY BECAUSE I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE GAY!

but, knowing there are people like you out there who can't see people, the only see fucking, i guess i'm going to have to think twice about it now, huh?

/so angry/

BVS · 10-22-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
No, but I´d rather not find out the hard way.

This is creepy.

Irvine511 · 10-22-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
So, in your view, by saying that Harry has parents and thus implying their heterosexuality then she´s "flaunting" heterosexuality? Please. There was no need to say those things when the books are already finished. With this new information Dumbledore´s affection for Harry has just turned creepy.

if i say that i am gay and have a boyfriend, is that flaunting my sexuality?

if my friend tells me he's getting engaged to his girlfriend, is he flaunting his sexuality?

NO in both cases.

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511

if i say that i am gay and have a boyfriend, is that flaunting my sexuality?

if my friend tells me he's getting engaged to his girlfriend, is he flaunting his sexuality?

NO in both cases.

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Originally posted by Irvine511

funny how we don't mention the flaunting of Harry's heterosexuality when he dances with girls or whatever (i actually know very little about these books).

That´s my answer to your question.

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Irvine511

it is taking every thing i have not to explode at you right now.

i've taugh preschool (3 year olds), assisted in a kindergarten (5 year olds), been a swim instructor (3-12 years old), coached a swim team (7-18 years old), was an SAT tutor (17-18 year olds), and you know what?

I NEVER EVER EVER FUCKING THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT SIMPLY BECAUSE I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE GAY!

but, knowing there are people like you out there who can't see people, the only see fucking, i guess i'm going to have to think twice about it now, huh?

/so angry/

You´re right. I do apologize for offending you.

Either way, that comment and that line of thinking is besides the subject of this thread.

All I want to talk about is how children´s books could do without sexuality.

BVS · 10-22-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
With this new information Dumbledore´s affection for Harry has just turned creepy.

So his affection was cool when he was straight? But now it's creepy? So if he had the same affection towards a female character it wouldn't have been creepy?

Face it, this is just a huge double standard.

BVS · 10-22-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy

All I want to talk about is how children´s books could do without sexuality.

So you want to ban Sleeping Beauty?

BrownEyedBoy · 10-22-2007, 01:20 PM

I never said I wanted to ban the books. All I´m trying to say is that the books could definitely do without that subject being brought up.

kafrun · 10-22-2007, 01:32 PM

Hmm. By treating his sexuality as something that should not even be mentioned, it's teaching that there's something inherently wrong with it. If there are gay people in a child's life, is it ok for them to know that uncle-so-and-so is or mom's best friend is gay? Then why is it wrong in a story? It's just a part of life. They don't need to know the details, just as they don't need to know the details of anyone's sexuality, but surely the mere mention of it shouldn't be wrong.. ?

BVS · 10-22-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
I never said I wanted to ban the books. All I´m trying to say is that the books could definitely do without that subject being brought up.

Sleeping Beauty wouldn't exist without that aspect.

Mofo · 10-22-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
So, in your view, by saying that Harry has parents and thus implying their heterosexuality then she´s "flaunting" heterosexuality? Please. There was no need to say those things when the books are already finished. With this new information Dumbledore´s affection for Harry has just turned creepy.

you just associated homosexuality with pedophila just be clear with what you are saying because this is really fucked up

Irvine511 · 10-22-2007, 01:38 PM

and now instead of being angry, i'm just sad.

sad that whenever a gay person takes an affectionate interest in a child and wishes to mentor him and help him be all that he can be, that, really, according to the line of thought in here, he's only doing so because he wants to fuck that boy.

what an awful thing to think.

10-22-2007, 12:39 PM	#1
BrownEyedBoy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras Posts: 3,510 Local Time: 01:31 AM	Is there room for sexuality in children´s books? I just read about J.K. Rowling letting Dumbledore out of the closet and I am very displeased. I don´t think there was a need to add these things to the book just like there´s no need to mention that Hagrid would be into s&m and Snape into bondage. You know? There´s just no room for it and children don´t need to know about those things. __________________

10-22-2007, 12:41 PM	#2
coemgen Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Black and White Town Posts: 3,962 Local Time: 02:31 AM	I agree. If it's not part of the story, why mention it outside of the book? Especially when it's a kids' book? __________________

10-22-2007, 12:54 PM	#6
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 08:31 AM	Why is it "creepy"? You think gay men are incapable of being teachers, therapists, coaches, and otherwise mentors to young boys without getting all pervy and molesting them? __________________ yolland [at] interference.com μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης

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Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 32,365 Local Time: 03:31 AM	and now instead of being angry, i'm just sad. sad that whenever a gay person takes an affectionate interest in a child and wishes to mentor him and help him be all that he can be, that, really, according to the line of thought in here, he's only doing so because he wants to fuck that boy. what an awful thing to think. __________________

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10-22-2007, 12:46 PM	#3
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 32,365 Local Time: 03:31 AM	what about the heterosexuality of all the main characters. after all, they all got married at the end and had so much sex with each other that they had lots of children. and how do we get children? S-E-X!!! funny how we don't mention the flaunting of Harry's heterosexuality when he dances with girls or whatever (i actually know very little about these books). it just gets at a horrible double standard that i am sick to death of. she lets us know that Dumbledore is gay. suddenly, it's all about sex?!?!!?

10-22-2007, 12:52 PM	#4
BrownEyedBoy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras Posts: 3,510 Local Time: 01:31 AM	So, in your view, by saying that Harry has parents and thus implying their heterosexuality then she´s "flaunting" heterosexuality? Please. There was no need to say those things when the books are already finished. With this new information Dumbledore´s affection for Harry has just turned creepy.

10-22-2007, 12:53 PM	#5
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,228 Local Time: 01:31 AM	Wow, what a horrible double standard!!! There's "sexuality" all over children's books. Sleeping beauty gets woken up with a kiss, Cinderella, etc... There's no room for it as long as it's gay sexuality, that's what you are really saying.

10-22-2007, 12:57 PM	#7
BrownEyedBoy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras Posts: 3,510 Local Time: 01:31 AM	No, but I´d rather not find out the hard way.

10-22-2007, 01:03 PM	#8
rudybay The Fly Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras Posts: 251 Local Time: 01:31 AM	que lokera este thread vo

10-22-2007, 01:20 PM	#16
BrownEyedBoy Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras Posts: 3,510 Local Time: 01:31 AM	I never said I wanted to ban the books. All I´m trying to say is that the books could definitely do without that subject being brought up.

10-22-2007, 01:32 PM	#17
kafrun Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upside-down Posts: 19,644 Local Time: 12:31 AM	Hmm. By treating his sexuality as something that should not even be mentioned, it's teaching that there's something inherently wrong with it. If there are gay people in a child's life, is it ok for them to know that uncle-so-and-so is or mom's best friend is gay? Then why is it wrong in a story? It's just a part of life. They don't need to know the details, just as they don't need to know the details of anyone's sexuality, but surely the mere mention of it shouldn't be wrong.. ?