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Old 10-22-2007, 01:46 PM   #21
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you just associated homosexuality with pedophila just be clear with what you are saying because this is really fucked up
Unfortunately this is a view held by many. It's pretty discusting.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:51 PM   #22
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All I´m trying to say is that the books could definitely do without that subject being brought up.
What do you mean by "sexuality"? Actual sex scenes, complex psychological explorations of the development of sexual identity, etc.? Or do you literally mean that having Prince Charming kiss Sleeping Beauty and ride off with her into the sunset is problematic?

I can tell you from having three of them that young kids DO NOT carry around all the associative baggage adults do when it comes to issues like who is in love with who and why. They may notice and ask about it if they see e.g. two men or two women holding hands at the mall, but all you have to say is "Some men love other men the way Dad loves Mom" or the like, and they'll say "Oh, okay" and that's the end of it as far as they're concerned--they don't want or need a big lecture on sexual identity development.

I wouldn't expect an average 5-year-old to be interested in, e.g., a complex novel sensitively portraying a young gay man's coming to terms with his sexuality, dealing with coming out to his friends and family and so on, just as I wouldn't expect them to be interested in a complex story about e.g. a straight young woman's struggle to learn to trust men after experiencing decades of abuse at the hands of her father. But having actual straight and gay characters in the story, as moms, dads, teachers, fellow students, whatever--sure, why not? Love, couples, and families are a familiar part of young children's social worlds--they accept and understand why Prince Charming kisses Sleeping Beauty, they accept and understand why Harry Potter wants to go to the school dance with whichever girl, they'd accept and understand if Dumbledore had a husband too. Are they interested in hearing about those characters' sexual fantasies or anything much beyond the level of hearts-and-flowers stuff--no. But there's no problem with their seeing reflected in books what they already know from real life--that sometimes people fall in love, and that might mean they kiss, hold hands, dance, or raise children together. I really think it's pushing it to the extreme to call such story elements "sexuality," though--I think that's projecting adult dimensions which are neither apparent nor of interest to children onto them.
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and now instead of being angry, i'm just sad.

sad that whenever a gay person takes an affectionate interest in a child and wishes to mentor him and help him be all that he can be, that, really, according to the line of thought in here, he's only doing so because he wants to fuck that boy.

what an awful thing to think.
In all honesty, I think a man who took an affectionate interest in a young girl and wished to mentor her would have his motives questioned. I don't think it's so much a gay thing (anymore - I definitely think it used to be) as much as it's a guy thing.

But I agree, sad indeed.
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I never said I wanted to ban the books. All I´m trying to say is that the books could definitely do without that subject being brought up.

um...did you post a similar thread when you read Goblet of Fire??? because if not then you are a hypocrite. there was much more innuendo in that than just mentioning that DUMBLEDORE HAD AN UNREQUITED LOVE AFFAIR.


UNREQUITED.

tell me what is so sexual about an UNREQUITED LOVE AFFAIR?
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I haven't read the books either so I'll ask this question

Is this information necessary to advance the plot of the book or is the revelation about the same as him not liking brussels sprouts? If it's the latter then I say leave it out, it's just not necessary. If it's important then leave it in. If all this came out after publication then there's the answer. I thought reading was supposed to foster imagination If I want to draw that conclusion from what I read I can.

What does Sleeping Beauty have to do with this anyway? Kissing isn't always sexual. Instead please explain to me how she got to sleep for 100 years without anyone waking her up or the phone ringing. That's information I can use
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What does Sleeping Beauty have to do with this anyway?
You've got to be kidding. The thread was is there room for sexuality in children's books. And this was based on the fact that a character was just mentioned to be gay. So a man and a woman can have a romantic kiss or dance, but you can't even mention someone is gay?! That's the point!!!

It's a double standard fueled by hate.


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Kissing isn't always sexual.
Have you read Sleeping Beauty? He didn't just give her a friendly we've known each other for years peck on the cheek.
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Re: Is there room for sexuality in children´s books?

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I just read about J.K. Rowling letting Dumbledore out of the closet and I am very displeased. I don´t think there was a need to add these things to the book just like there´s no need to mention that Hagrid would be into s&m and Snape into bondage. You know? There´s just no room for it and children don´t need to know about those things.
let's remember that this was not written in the book. rowling was asked specifically if dumbledore ever fell in love. so she answered.

how about you just put a ban on people asking questions about characters?
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and now instead of being angry, i'm just sad.

sad that whenever a gay person takes an affectionate interest in a child and wishes to mentor him and help him be all that he can be, that, really, according to the line of thought in here, he's only doing so because he wants to fuck that boy.

what an awful thing to think.
I do think it may be unfortunately to think so - but I would honestly not trust my son to be mentored by a homosexual man.
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I do think it may be unfortunately to think so - but I would honestly not trust my son to be mentored by a homosexual man.
How would you feel about another parent not wanting you to mentor their daughter, lest you try to come onto her? Because as CTU2 fan mentioned--it happens.
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I do think it may be unfortunately to think so - but I would honestly not trust my son to be mentored by a homosexual man.
would you have your daugther mentored by a straight man?
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i think it's neat that Dumbledore is gay, even though i haven't read a single book or read a movie.

why wouldn't there be gay wizards? and is it really all that shocking that there's a gay male teacher? there are lots of those out there, and many gay people can and do become wonderful role models and mentors because they often don't have children, so teaching (and coaching, and even, dare i say it, leading Scouts) is a great way for them to channel their parental instincts.

it does take a village.
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I do think it may be unfortunately to think so - but I would honestly not trust my son to be mentored by a homosexual man.


you wouldn't trust your son?

wow. you think your son is going to try to put the moves on an older man?
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would you have your daugther mentored by a straight man?
No.
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No.


why is it that people who have the most conservative attitudes towards sexuality see it as a threat in nearly every single situation?

AEON, if you wanted your son to have a good swim instructor, you'd be hard pressed to find a better one than me.

but i guess that doesn't matter. you'd be all uncomfortable with us in swimsuits and stuff.



(this stuff hurts my heart, it really does)
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at least is goes both ways, at the end of the day you do what's best for your child in your opinion so I can definiteley respect that
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you wouldn't trust your son?

wow. you think your son is going to try to put the moves on an older man?
I don't think it is a good idea for anyone to be mentored by an older person that may have a sexual motive in the relationship and is in a position to take advantage of their leadership role in the relationship. (male/female/gay/straight)
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I don't think it is a good idea for anyone to be mentored by an older person that may have a sexual motive in the relationship and is in a position to take advantage of their leadership role in the relationship. (male/female/gay/straight)

well, that settles it. children shouldn't interact with any other adults other than their parents or family members (leaving alone the fact that the vast majority of children who are sexually abuse are girls who suffer at the hands of an older HETEROSEXUAL male relative).




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I don't think it is a good idea for anyone to be mentored by an older person that may have a sexual motive in the relationship and is in a position to take advantage of their leadership role in the relationship. (male/female/gay/straight)
That could be anyone. So you just don't want mentors.

Why is it conservatives live in so much fear?
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AEON, if you wanted your son to have a good swim instructor, you'd be hard pressed to find a better one than me.
There is a difference between being a swim instructor and being an actual mentor. By a mentor I am assuming the person would actually spend one on one time, be involved in life decisions (because Dad can't have all the answers - we look outside of the family for verification sometimes)...in a way a Youth Pastor does.

I would not take my son out of a class because the instructor or teacher is openly gay.

Would we think the same about Yoda and Luke if we found out Yoda way gay? I think it would change the dynamic and perhaps add sexual tension for Yoda instead of him simply being frustrated that Luke is a whiner and an impatient learner.
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