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Old 10-24-2007, 06:38 PM   #221
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Bonovoxsupastar and phillyfan: that may be, but aren't you missing the parent (control) factor ?

Sure, she may lose a few readers due to bigotry. But how many will she gain due to the "controversy", or how many will she gain because she didn't cave into the bigots?
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I disagree with you here my friend. Pretty much everything else you say I agree with.

She was more concerned with sales. If she had outed him, while she was writing, it would have impacted quite a bit. Outing him after the fact, is indeed a sign of weakness on her part. The series is over, there was no reason to not include it in book 7.

Just my opnion,
What would be interesting is if she ever had originally outed him in the book? And did some force an edit? Who knows...

She's never said no to spin off books has she?
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Irvine: and until they grow up ? Maybe HP won't excite them anymore once they read it.

Bonovoxsupastar and phillyfan: that may be, but aren't you missing the parent (control) factor ?

I see at is this: some bigoted parents tell their children not to read Harry Potter. Some of them will read it anyway, somehow. Some will read it later in life. A few won't read them. And I feel for all of those children.

But I think it would be a much bigger issue if we had the ignorant essentially censoring authors because the authors don't want to lose readers to "controversy."

I certainly don't think when she said this that she had some kind of "agenda" or "cause" to push for, as has been stated (though not by you). And I don't think she gave a thought then or now to those who've reacted poorly.

Quite frankly. it's probably just confirming some thoughts by others, because what she says, well ... makes sense if you look at the literature. I don't see it as a problem at all. She's always had the style of evolving her characters outside the pages.
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My Son is going to be Harry Potter this year.....for the 4th year in a row. He is 7. I said to him, Ben you already were Harry...

he says yes, but not with his Quidditch Uniform!
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Don't you think that may be furthering the agenda?

What kind of father are you?
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:14 PM   #226
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Don't you think that may be furthering the agenda?

What kind of father are you?
Haha!

The kind that is planning on dressing like dumbledore!!!
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:16 PM   #227
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i don't get what you are saying here...
it was unnecessary for her to honestly answer an honest question by an honest fan?
Answering your question:

She was asked if Dumbledore ever did find love. She answered with a "Oh, he's gay." Which I thought was unnecessary and seemed like she pulled it out of her ass at the last minute.
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Haha!

The kind that is planning on dressing like dumbledore!!!
You know, I was actually wryly thinking earlier that there will probably be quite a few parents returning Dumbledore costumes to Wal-Mart in a huff over this. Which would almost be funny, except that it's not.
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She was asked if Dumbledore ever did find love. She answered with a "Oh, he's gay." Which I thought was unnecessary and seemed like she pulled it out of her ass at the last minute.
How did you interpret it as unnecessary and "pulled out of her ass?"

I mean, from her explanation, I think she'd thought this for a while.
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How did you interpret it as unnecessary and "pulled out of her ass?"

I mean, from her explanation, I think she'd thought this for a while.

Quite a lot of time went by between each book's writing process and release. It wasn't brought it up then and I'm sure she had one of those Q&A's in between those years.
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Answering your question:

She was asked if Dumbledore ever did find love. She answered with a "Oh, he's gay." Which I thought was unnecessary and seemed like she pulled it out of her ass at the last minute.
But where do you get this, "pulled out of her ass.." bit?

Can't you see how you make no sense in here? You never answer anything based on logic, just gut feelings.
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There would never have been a reason to ask the question before book 7. Book 7 just came out a few months ago.
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Quite a lot of time went by between each book's writing process and release. It wasn't brought it up then and I'm sure she had one of those Q&A's in between those years.
This was her first tour of North America since 2000.

Book 7 only came out recently.

The question was essentially, "Since it wasn't blatantly written in the books as such, does Dumbledore ever fall in love?" The form of that has to be after book 7.
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I hate it when facts get in the way...
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This was her first tour of North America since 2000.

Book 7 only came out recently.

The question was essentially, "Since it wasn't blatantly written in the books as such, does Dumbledore ever fall in love?" The form of that has to be after book 7.
You're right the form of that particular question had to be after book 7. The form of the answer could've been in any question regarding Dumbledore.
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She was asked if Dumbledore ever did find love. She answered with a "Oh, he's gay." Which I thought was unnecessary and seemed like she pulled it out of her ass at the last minute.
Not to be picky, but the transcript is as follows:

Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself?

JKR: My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay.[ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent? But, he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how i always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying I knew a girl once, whose hair... [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] "If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!"

Doesn't seem to me like she pulled it out of her ass.
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You're right the form of that particular question had to be after book 7. The form of the answer could've been in any question regarding Dumbledore.
The character had not developed to the point he had before Book 7, and she hadn't been on a tour to have questions asked of her like that before Book 7, so again ... no, it could not have.
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The form of the answer could've been in any question regarding Dumbledore.
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Not to be picky, but the transcript is as follows:

Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself?

JKR: My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay.[ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent? But, he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how i always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying I knew a girl once, whose hair... [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] "If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!"

Doesn't seem to me like she pulled it out of her ass.

My opinion on that is that it's very convenient of her to say things like that.

The "ovation" part of the paragraph you quoted mirrors exactly what I'm against. I can't stand the sanctifying of homosexuals and how people applaud the fact that someone's gay. That is what bothers me. And before anyone even suggests it, let me say that I'm not saying that they should be frowned upon but this whole attitude of making homosexuality a "noble cause" should be seen just as ridiculously as viewing heterosexuality as a noble cause.

It's the attitude I'm against. The attitude of setting an example and throwing in here and there a gay character in a children's book for the sake of furthering tolerance.

So I stand by my post, children's books are not the adequate forum to address those issues.
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By saying, "If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!" to me, seems to be the telling part, that she really hadn't thought about the reaction everyone would have.

But the key thing you're missing here, which I will capitalize to hopefully make you comprehend, is that SHE DIDN'T PUT HIM IN FOR THE SAKE OF FURTHERING TOLERANCE. If you've read the books, it MAKES SENSE THAT DUMBLEDORE IS GAY.
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