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Old 09-25-2008, 09:02 PM   #321
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I recall Reagan putting himself before America, answering media questions, campaigning in at least 52 of the 57 states, displaying some measure of executive competence in being governor of the largest state and managing a national campaign, and directly assuming the burden of proving that he was a competent President.

I also recall Sarah Palin being selected by one man, with one of the best arguments for her place on the ticket being "well she's a quick learner".
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I also recall Sarah Palin being selected by one man, with one of the best arguments for her place on the ticket being "well she's a quick learner".
Well, shit! Why am I not McCain's VP? I'm a quick learner. Why, just last week I learned how the entire sales and cash process works at my new job. I'm ready to handle the economy!
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And wasn't Reagan a two-term Governor of one of the biggest economies in the world before running for President in 1976 and again in 1980?
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Well, shit! Why am I not McCain's VP? I'm a quick learner. Why, just last week I learned how the entire sales and cash process works at my new job. I'm ready to handle the economy!
Come on. You don't have the foreign policy experience. Or do you? Do you like Mexican food?
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I recall Reagan putting himself before America, answering media questions, campaigning in at least 52 of the 57 states
Shit. I always thought there were just 50 states.
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Come on. You don't have the foreign policy experience. Or do you? Do you like Mexican food?
I didn't get a chance to eat dinner, so I'm about to do a Taco Bell run now! Also, I live 30 minutes from the Ambassador Bridge (not to be confused with the Bridge to Nowhere) which is in Detroit. This bridge leads directly to the foreign nation of Canada! That's right, if I drive to Detroit, a mere 30 minutes from my home, I can then drive across this bridge, which takes about 20-30 more minutes, and I will be in Canada! I'm like frickin' Henry Kissinger here. Come on! M I RITE?!?!1111
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What type of experience would some one running for President in 1860 typically of had?

What type of experience does someone running for President in 2008 typically have?

Yes, there are all kinds of differences between 1860 and 2008, but were talking about one thing, the experience required to be President.
The experience and knowledge required to lead a country. I wouldn't argue that Palin is simply inexperienced, though some more time in high profile politics might be helpful in her case, but that she simply lacks in brightness, curiousness and knowledge about important issues. And it doesn't help herself trying to desperately claim she's having some international experience only because Putin likes to fly over Kanada.
She isn't honest herself about this lack, and she seems to know fully well why she isn't. Because it seems to be of importance.
And well, in this day and age it's not helpful to know so little about foreign countries when you want to be president or vice president of any country simply because in that position situations occur where you have to know how to work together and negotiate with other countries not after you have went through some extensive training.

However, in my opinion it's not her lack of having had to deal with foreign leaders that makes her incompetent, but rather that she has no clue of what is going on in the world, she never seemed to care what is going on and she apparently lacks the intellectual capability to engage with foreign leaders and to get behind foreign issues in all their complicated matters. Her answers in the interviews so far show very clear that all she can say about foreign issues is the little bit she has seen in US media (and I'm really sorry, but when it comes to explaining the world your media just sucks) and what her advisors have trained her so far. She can't answer the questions, but rather blabbers away without making sense, repeating the interviewer's question and saying exactly the same nonsensical, nonfitting sentence at least two times in one sentence.

Another thing is, and there we seem to differ fundamentally, is that I just don't care how Lincoln was prepared in international relations, or any other person was prepared when running for office. The fundamental difference is, if you look at those people and their history you always find that they were extremely intelligent, very open and their whole career reflect just another sense of political talent etc.
I view people on their own, I look at how they engage difficult issues and questions, I try to get behind how they think when it comes to such issues like foreign relations, knowledge in the areas required for doing their job as president and I assess the people on their own, on their personal capacity. And seriously, listening to or reading what Sarah Palin so far has said in her few interviews as well as reading about what she has done in Alaska gives me the impression that she is a person who certainly is very determined of assuming high positions in politics, but she herself simply is not capable of filling that position. It's not Lincoln running, it's not Kennedy running, it's not Agnew running, it's no one else running but Sarah Palin. And she is just not fit to be a good vice president.

I don't really know if you believe what you write, but trying to interfere there is some static point when one becomes ready, and some static amount of experience one needs to be a good president, and trying to get this answer doesn't bring you any further, simply because you are asking for the non-existent. People are not black and white, you need to assess each one on their own. And by doing so you see fundamental differences in Palin, Lincoln, Obama and whoever else you want to throw in.
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Shit. I always thought there were just 50 states.
A few months ago Admiral Obama discovered 7 more, and claimed them for the great nation of America. The native "Canadians" weren't too pleased, but they were surprisingly polite about it.
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Couric: You don't think the United States is within its rights to express its position to Israel? And if that means second-guessing or discussing an option?

Palin: No, abso … we need to express our rights and our concerns and …
This is one of the things I was alluding to. She listens to the interviewer's question and then tries to use the same words for her answer. But "rights to express" and expressing one's rights is not the same.
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Well, shit! Why am I not McCain's VP? I'm a quick learner. Why, just last week I learned how the entire sales and cash process works at my new job. I'm ready to handle the economy!
One of my family members is an evangelical Christian anti-abortion hockey mom with two children with special needs. Today she talked my ear off about the economic crisis with an amazing depth of understanding. She's the incredibly smart Sarah Palin, way smarter than me. I have never been able to bullshit my way through something I don't understand which is one reason why I've always had a fair amount of performance anxiety - I over-prepare for meetings because I have to know what I'm talking about or I look completely stupid bullshitting my way through it. I used to have nightmares where I was unprepared for something and was being put on the spot - like some people have nightmares about going to work with no pants on. Watching Sarah Palin in that Katie Couric interview was like watching one of those nightmares. It was just painful. I am absolutely horrified that she's the VP candidate. It's just beyond astonishing and insulting to the American people (a lot of whom, granted, are stupid).
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Exactly. And it really is only a focus because of McCain’s age. If he were younger/perceived to be healthier, then she could easily slot in there and run on a more deflective (and honest) “Foreign policy? That’s his job, I am going to specifically work on the (insert softer domestic issues here – family something/education something/literacy something/whatever)” type thing and it probably would work, and likely be more okay with a lot of people. That she may have to step into the # 1 job, where not only does she need to know 'a bit' about foreign policy, but to be truly good at it, be a bit of a genius in the field... umm....
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This is one of the things I was alluding to. She listens to the interviewer's question and then tries to use the same words for her answer. But "rights to express" and expressing one's rights is not the same.
Excellent point.
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This is one of the things I was alluding to. She listens to the interviewer's question and then tries to use the same words for her answer. But "rights to express" and expressing one's rights is not the same.
I just realized that Sarah Palin turns into the SNL character Nicholas Fehn when giving answers, in terms of how she has trouble completing thoughts.

Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Update: Nicolas Fehn
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Couric will probably make a more competent VP!
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One of my family members is an evangelical Christian anti-abortion hockey mom with two children with special needs. Today she talked my ear off about the economic crisis with an amazing depth of understanding. She's the incredibly smart Sarah Palin, way smarter than me. I have never been able to bullshit my way through something I don't understand which is one reason why I've always had a fair amount of performance anxiety - I over-prepare for meetings because I have to know what I'm talking about or I look completely stupid bullshitting my way through it. I used to have nightmares where I was unprepared for something and was being put on the spot - like some people have nightmares about going to work with no pants on. Watching Sarah Palin in that Katie Couric interview was like watching one of those nightmares. It was just painful. I am absolutely horrified that she's the VP candidate. It's just beyond astonishing and insulting to the American people (a lot of whom, granted, are stupid).
I'm with you on all counts.
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This is one of the things I was alluding to. She listens to the interviewer's question and then tries to use the same words for her answer. But "rights to express" and expressing one's rights is not the same.
Sorry if this was already posted before, but here's another example:

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Couric: When President Bush ran for office, he opposed nation-building. But he has spent, as you know, much of his presidency promoting democracy around the world. What lessons have you learned from Iraq? And how specifically will you try to spread democracy throughout the world?

Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It's not just to keep the people safe but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.
See, now her vague platitudes are specific platitudes, because she used Couric's word "specifically".
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I just realized that Sarah Palin turns into the SNL character Nicholas Fehn when giving answers, in terms of how she has trouble completing thoughts.

Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Update: Nicolas Fehn
OMG! I'd never seen this! That's fucking hilarious!
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Watching Sarah Palin in that Katie Couric interview was like watching one of those nightmares. It was just painful. I am absolutely horrified that she's the VP candidate. It's just beyond astonishing and insulting to the American people (a lot of whom, granted, are stupid).
It's astonishing like you said and really sad that almost half the population of the United States is thinking of voting for her! I simply cannot fathom this mindset after what I've heard coming out of her mouth! I mean do you people have standards at all?
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It's astonishing like you said and really sad that almost half the population of the United States is thinking of voting for her! I simply cannot fathom this mindset after what I've heard coming out of her mouth! I mean do you people have standards at all?
Well, like somebody said, some people want their candidates to be like them--only dumber.
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