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Old 09-25-2008, 03:04 PM   #261
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So she:





and



in the process of answering 4 questions?

Great.
She is "learning by doing". Today's lecture: How to avoid answering questions. Result: Still no progress.

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Same country, same system of government. If you take a little time to study the two things, you'll see that the analogy actually does fit. The simple passage of time is irrelevant.
Reminds me of Scalia's session yesterday.
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I've done extensive reading of the blog that Irvine just posted. The blog was created earlier this year to discuss Alaskan politics, so it was around well before the Palin VP nomination, it wasn't created expressly to bash her. The blogger is from Anchorage, and quite a few of the commentors are Alaskan (although the longer this campaign goes on, the more 'outsiders' go to it for information, and to post).

From what I gather, Alaskan politics have long been corrupt, and Palin ran on a platform of cleaning up matters, and breaking up the ol' boys club. She took over from a corrupt administration, and people held out great hope, so of course she was popular. Add in the government payouts to citizens, and she was able to maintain that popularity for quite a while. Then, her numbers started to drop. Only into the 60's, but still, it was a drop. They apparently rose again after McCain selected her, due mostly to the fact that one of their own was on the national stage, poised for big things.

People engaged in politics up there recognize that she didn't so much take out the old boys network, as much as she created a new one, where she would hire people she knows for cushy positions, in exchange for crazy degrees of loyalty. Anyone left over from the old administration was put through certain loyalty tests, and if they didn't measure up to her standards, they were fired.

The huge news up there at this time, and, what I suspect will drop her numbers down even lower now is Troopergate. In mainland US, Republicans seem to poo-poo the trooper thing as not a big deal, but Alaskan residents seem extremely pissed off about it, especially in light of the way she promised transparency in her administration, but now, has gone to extreme lengths to block the investigation. And that's only one problem with her, there are many more.

Many people who know her personally post there, and while I've not heard her described as unintelligent, I have heard the words ambitious, vindictive, secretive, private, lacking common sense and insular bandied about, among others. She's also said to politically drift in whichever way the popular winds blow. She's not nearly as principled as she lets on. As well, a week or so ago, there was a pro-Palin rally held where she spoke. It had less than 1,000 attendees. The same day, and anti-Palin rally was also held. It was the biggest political rally in Alaska's history, with well over two thousand in attendance.

So yeah, is she popular up there? No doubt. But, the state is heavily Republican in the first place, and the residents are handed oil money. And, as she's becoming mired in controversy and scandal, her numbers are dropping, and more and more people are becoming disillusioned, and speaking out against her.

I urge you to check out that blog. It's eye-opening.
Can you name a single Governor out there that does NOT have someone that does not like them in their home town or state?

Yes, Sarah Palin has political opponents in her home state, what politician does not?
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Most of them have opponents on political issues, not corruptional issues.
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Same country, same system of government. If you take a little time to study the two things, you'll see that the analogy actually does fit. The simple passage of time is irrelevant.
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Can you name a single Governor out there that does NOT have someone that does not like them in their home town or state?

Yes, Sarah Palin has political opponents in her home state, what politician does not?
That wasn't the point, was it? I was responding to the person's post re: why she has/had such strong support, and why that has changed over time.

Context is your friend.
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Same country, same system of government. If you take a little time to study the two things, you'll see that the analogy actually does fit. The simple passage of time is irrelevant.
That's like saying the score doesn't matter in a baseball game. The passage of time (which is the opposite of simple) is the whole point. Completely different time period with totally different circumstances on pretty much every issue imaginable.
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Can you name a single Governor out there that does NOT have someone that does not like them in their home town or state?

Yes, Sarah Palin has political opponents in her home state, what politician does not?
She was responding to the insinuation that Palin's poll numbers are extremely high by stating that they're falling and that there are reasons for them being high outside of her job performance. You apparently ignored this.

Context is lost on you, isn't it?
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Dick Polman's American Debate: Multi-tasking in American history
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Thursday, September 25, 2008

Barack Obama, while assessing John McCain's attempt to cut and run from the Friday night presidential debate, contended yesterday that both candidates have ample time to shuttle between the Washington crisis and the Mississippi showdown. Indeed, he said, "It is going to be part of the (next) president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."

Perhaps this is the kind of multi-tasking that Obama was talking about:

While Abraham Lincoln was prosecuting the Civil War during his first winter in office, he was also trying to create a federal department of agriculture; to win diplomatic recognition for the black republics of Haiti and Liberia; to negotiate with Congress on proposals for a land-grand college system, a Pacific railroad charter, a tariff increase, and a tax on consumers. Over a period of two months that winter, he was also trying to avoid plunging the Union into a war with Great Britain (a two-month crisis precipitated by a Union captain's decision to board a British ship and remove two Confederate envoys), and success didn't come until the eleventh hour.


Eighty years later, Franklin D. Roosevelt was into all kinds of multi-tasking, even before Pearl Harbor; as one Washington magazine reported in April 1941, "A more discouraging agenda could not have been imagined." FDR had to deal that month with (among other things) urgent British appeals for more aid; the fallout of Allied setbacks in the Middle East; the delicate issue of Axis ships berthing in American ports;, the sluggish buildup of the newly-conscripted military; and a rash of labor strikes, fought over workloads, working conditions and wages, that ultimately affected one of every 12 American workers, and seriously slowed production of the war materials earmarked for Britain.

Twenty years after that, John F. Kennedy in the spring of 1961 had to juggle nearly simultaenous crises in Cuba, Laos, Vietnam - and the American South, where the racist attacks on the Freedom Riders brought the civil-rights crisis to the fore. In the autumn of 1962, even during the Cuban Missile crisis, Kennedy broke away for politics, flying to Chicago where he delivered speeches and pep talks to the Cook County Democrats in advance of the impending congressional elections.

But McCain himself knows a little about juggling simultaneous duties. Back in October 1999, for instance, he and his Senate Republican colleagues - led by his '08 campaign sidekick, Texas Sen. Phil Gramm - were busy putting the finishing touches on a landmark piece of deregulation legislation that would unshackle the financial industry from federal oversight. The work was completed in the wee hours - but wait, McCain wasn't there. He was multi-tasking up in New Hampshire...at a Republican presidential primary debate.

His debate message: Our "almost unprecedented prosperity" requires, among other things, "a lack of regulation."
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Wow. I just saw the Russia/foreign policy part of the Couric interview. I actually feel quite sorry for her.
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Here it is...

Palin On Positions, Experience Video - CBSNews.com

The last 2 or 3 min made me cringe!
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That wasn't the point, was it? I was responding to the person's post re: why she has/had such strong support, and why that has changed over time.

Context is your friend.

I was making my own point. She has done very well in Alaska, and I don't think the governors before her enjoyed the approval ratings that she has had.
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That's like saying the score doesn't matter in a baseball game. The passage of time (which is the opposite of simple) is the whole point. Completely different time period with totally different circumstances on pretty much every issue imaginable.
There are historical lessons to be learned and analogies than can be made to today with things that occured, 100, 500, or over a thousand years ago.



So, since you think Lincolns time is not relevant, you should be able to explain what type of experience was needed to be President in 1860 and why the experience needed today is completely different.

Yes, the political environment, issues, culture, technology, is different, but the system of government is not, and I don't think your going to find to much different in the record of experience Presidents and Vice Presidents had before taking office to today. Many of them had served as State Representitives and Senators, or Federal Representitives and Senators, Governors, just as we find today.

Since you think 1860 is to far back in time to look for lessons or analogies to today, whats the year that one can go back to look for such things?
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Since you think 1860 is to far back in time to look for lessons or analogies to today, whats the year that one can go back to look for such things?
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She was responding to the insinuation that Palin's poll numbers are extremely high by stating that they're falling and that there are reasons for them being high outside of her job performance. You apparently ignored this.

Context is lost on you, isn't it?

The only reason her poll numbers are falling now is because of the drag that national presidential campaign will often have on anyones approval rating. I was talking exclusively about her poll numbers prior to her being selected to be McCain's VP. They are high, and I think higher than any other Governor in Alaskan history and higher than most other politicians in the country.

I made my own point that every politician out there has someone that does not like them, so listing a blog of criticism is irrelevant.
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The only reason her poll numbers are falling now is because of the drag that national presidential campaign will often have on anyones approval rating.
So why isn't Biden plummeting?
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I don't think Sting is the topic of the thread.
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Oh damn! That CBS video is no longer available!
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Is the content of the criticism irrelevant as well?
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So why isn't Biden plummeting?
Because Biden has been on the national scene for nearly 40 years now. Everyone knows him inside and out relative to Palin. The Democrats and their allies have also decided to target Palin. Despite that, Palin still beats Biden in many of these polls.
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