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Old 09-24-2008, 08:56 PM   #201
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When was the last time a Democrat was re-elected with those results?

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Old 09-24-2008, 09:04 PM   #202
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After he was in office for four years, W got nearly 51% of the vote and was re-elected to another four years in office. He helped his party increase the number of seats they held in the Senate and House of Representitives.

When was the last time a Democrat was re-elected with those results?
Polls don't indicate whether or not someone is intelligent. Actions and words do.

A man who was re-elected with the primary reason being that people would have preferred to have a beer with him as opposed to the other guy is probably not going to bode well when it comes to intellect.
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They are BOTH hypocrites. Obama and Biden for voting in favor of it, then changing their mind. (Which sounds like a political move to me - just reverse it if Palin was attacking Obama and Biden when she had voted in favor of it.)

And Palin a hypocrite, as you said, for running this platform after having voted in favor of it.

All four of them can kiss my ass, as I think they are all idiots.
WHAT is the Obama and Biden hypocrisy on this issue? Pointing out Sarah Palin's? From what I know of their positions, there's absolutely no conflict between saying "earmark X is bad" and "despite that, the overall bill was good enough to vote for".
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(CNN) — McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.

In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday.

Graham says the McCain camp is well aware of the position of the Obama campaign and the debate commission that the debate should go on as planned — but both he and another senior McCain adviser insist the Republican nominee will not go to the debate Friday if there's no deal on the bailout.
Reschedule the VP debate for an undetermined time? I've heard this elsewhere but it's really true- Palin's like the kid who pulled the fire alarm because she didn't study for the final. I hope Biden stands up next to an empty podium, or invites Bob Barr's VP to join him.
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I have been reading these threads, I have subscribed to them all, and from day one, I have been hoping to come to a better understanding of the politics of this world.
I read every single response and try hard, as someone who was never, ever interested in politics, never given tools to understand, and never really took an interest until now, to understand the jargon and reasoning of each figure.

I can seriously say now, that Sarah Palin has dummied herself down so much, that even I think we are fucked.


No shame...
I can bring home he bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let you forget your a man...
but God help us if these people (R) get elected.

Ok, I am passing this thread back to the eloquent people.
Whom by the way, I think are doing an amazing job...so thank you.

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Kind reminds me of this guy who once ran for President, way back when. All the talk of the day was how dumb he was, a hick, redneck, can't answer questions properly, a clown, a b-actor...bedtime for bonzo...you guessed it...Ronald Reagan.

This is why she scares me.
Does this not scare anyone else?????
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nope.
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nope.
You're willing to ignore the fact that she lacks any understanding on the issues that have an effect on Americans simply because she's a Republican?
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many labeled reagan the same way in the beginning.
he proved them wrong.

sarah will too.

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many labeled reagan the same way in the beginning.
he proved them wrong.

sarah will too.

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ronald reagan had press conferences. he'd also run for president in 1976 before he won in 1980.
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She is so stupid. This isn't funny anymore.




having her lack of intelligence, insight, interest, and preparation exposed by Katie Couric and thusly writ large on the teevee was only the second biggest, "well, duh, obviously, everyone knew that" moment of the day today.

the first biggest, "well, duh, obviously, everyone knew that" moment was when Clay Aiken officially came out.
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^I don't know. . .I don't think she came across as an idiot. I think she came across as someone saying a whole lot of nothing but then that's standard for most politicians on the campaign trail (Obama and McCain included). No one who is truly moronic would get very far at all in politics.

For me it's less about how much an idiot she is and more about why McCain chose her in the first place and what he's assuming (God-forbid, correctly) about how the electorate will make their voting decisions.

I see a lot of similiarities between Palin and Bush (and what people like about them) and THAT scares me.
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After he was in office for four years, W got nearly 51% of the vote and was re-elected to another four years in office.

I don't know that this says anything about Bush's intelligence one way or the other. What it says about the 51% though?
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^I don't know. . .I don't think she came across as an idiot. I think she came across as someone saying a whole lot of nothing but then that's standard for most politicians on the campaign trail (Obama and McCain included). No one who is truly moronic would get very far at all in politics.

For me it's less about how much an idiot she is and more about why McCain chose her in the first place and what he's assuming (God-forbid, correctly) about how the electorate will make their voting decisions.

I see a lot of similiarities between Palin and Bush (and what people like about them) and THAT scares me.


i really thought she came across as quite ill prepared and unable to not just think on her feet, but unable to effectively dodge questions and stonewall.

but i think your assessment is correct -- the person who comes off the worst here is McCain.
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No one who is truly moronic would get very far at all in politics.
Oh sure they could.

If they could get others to carry water for them.
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I don't know that this says anything about Bush's intelligence one way or the other. What it says about the 51% though?


it says that it was 2004, we were in the midst of a war that had yet to turn truly nasty and become a civil war, and that we had government officials amping up "orange" alerts and telling us we'd all be killed if we voted for the Democrats. and a rather uncompelling senator from massachusetts.
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and i wish i had written this, but someone referred to her Couric interview as a real "moose in the headlights" moment.
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i really thought she came across as quite ill prepared and unable to not just think on her feet, but unable to effectively dodge questions and stonewall.
That's exactly what I was saying. This is a sign of a lack of intelligence more than it is a sign of a lack of information. If you put in somebody who is sharp, say a Bill Clinton and ask him questions that he knows he can't answer, you would still get a better interview because he is quick enough on his feet that he can intelligently deflect or play off the questions. She cannot.

It is a little bit like watching a witness testifying at a trial. It's really easy to spot people like this and I guarantee you that most litigators could probably be very good at ascertaining a person's relative intelligence this way. You take two people equally uninformed and ask them the same questions and I guarantee you that you'll be able to spot the more intelligent one. It is actually very simple.

So I stand by my assertion - she's not bright. I haven't had one moment of doubt about that in all my time of watching her speak (not that it's been extensive, thanks for that McCain).
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so it's a virtue to be able to dodge questions and stonewall if you don't have correct answers?

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so it's a virtue to be able to dodge questions and stonewall if you don't have correct answers?

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it's what an intelligent moose will do when he's caught in the headlights.

it's the dumb ones that get hit by those Ice Road Trucker trucks.
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