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Old 09-04-2008, 10:43 AM   #161
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i suspect many of those will leave soon as the emergence of sarah takes flight.

obama will come across as milk toast after paulin's speech last night.

if only obama were a fraction of the man that sarah is.

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Old 09-04-2008, 11:13 AM   #162
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This all just seems as one big joke. The GOP are soooooo good at playing to the stupidity in this country, while the Dems feel they're above it, and that common sense will win out.

I agree for the most part, it's unfortunate, but true. But then again I couldn't respect anyone if they started playing to that demographic, it's part of the reason I have lost some respect for so many because they feel like they have to...

Is there anyway around it? Do we just have to weight for the national IQ to rise in order to have smarter government? In order to get real change?

I'm sure someone will label me elitist soon.
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Former top McCain strategist trashes Palin pick - War Room - Salon.com

Former top McCain strategist trashes Palin pick

Apparently some people still haven't noticed the cautionary example Jesse Jackson provided not so long ago and learned to shut up whenever they're wearing a microphone. On Wednesday, three people -- MSNBC's Chuck Todd, top GOP strategist Mike Murphy and prominent conservative commentator Peggy Noonan -- got caught having what they clearly thought was an off-the-record conversation about Sarah Palin, a conversation that defines brutal honesty. (You can listen to it below.)

Murphy's comments are especially interesting, because he was a key figure in John McCain's 2000 presidential run, and earlier this year there was speculation that he might join back up with McCain. Clearly, if he had, he would have advocated for a different path than the campaign has taken. In the recording, Murphy can be heard implying that he thinks McCain should have chosen someone from a blue state as his running mate. Apparently referring to some of McCain's current advisors, Murphy then says, "These guys, this is all like how you win a Texas race -- you know, just run it up. And it's not gonna work."

Noonan can then be heard agreeing with Murphy, saying, "It's over." A little later, Noonan responds to a question about whether Palin was the most qualified woman McCain could have chosen. "The most qualified? No," Noonan responds. "I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives ... Every time Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it." (By the way, Noonan's column in the Wall Street Journal just happens to have run today; I suggest reading it, if only to note the differences between what she says in public and what she says in private.)

Finally, there's one parting shot, a bit of insult added to injury, as Murphy says, "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and it's cynical."
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Why the media should apologize
By: Roger Simon
September 4, 2008 10:50 AM EST

ST. PAUL, Minn. — On behalf of the media, I would like to say we are sorry.

On behalf of the elite media, I would like to say we are very sorry.

We have asked questions this week that we should never have asked.

We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?

Bad questions. Bad media. Bad.

It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn’t be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols.

Sarah Palin hit the nail on the head Wednesday night (and several in the audience wish she had hit some reporters on the head instead) when she said: “I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.”

But where did we go wrong with Sarah Palin? Let me count the ways:

First, we should have stuck to the warm, human interest stuff like how she likes mooseburgers and hit an important free throw at her high school basketball tournament even though she had a stress fracture.

Second, we should have stuck to the press release stuff like how she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (after she supported it).

Third, we should never have strayed into the other stuff. Like when The Washington Post recently wrote: “Palin is under investigation by a bipartisan state legislative body. … Palin had promised to cooperate with the legislative inquiry, but this week she hired a lawyer to fight to move the case to the jurisdiction of the state personnel board, which Palin appoints.”

Why go there? What trees does that plant?

Fourth, we should stop making with all the questions already. She gave a really good speech. And why go beyond that? As we all know, speeches cannot be written by others and rehearsed for days. They are true windows to the soul.

Unless they are delivered by Barack Obama, that is. In which case, as Palin said Wednesday, speeches are just a “cloud of rhetoric.”

Fifth, we should stop reporting on the families of the candidates. Unless the candidates want us to.

Sarah Palin wanted the media to report on her teenage son, Track, who enlisted in the Army on Sept. 11, 2007, and soon will deploy to Iraq.

Sarah Palin did not want the media to report on her teenage daughter, Bristol, who is pregnant and unmarried.

Sarah Palin thinks that one is good for her campaign and one is not, and that the media should report only on what is good for her campaign. That is our job, and that is our duty. If that is not actually in the Constitution, it should be. (And someday may be.)

The official theme of the convention’s third day was “prosperity,” but the unofficial theme was “the media are really, really awful.”

Even Mike Huckabee, who campaigned for president this year by saying “I am a conservative, but I am not mad at anybody,” discovered Wednesday night that he is mad at somebody.

“I’d like to thank the elite media for doing something,” Huckabee said, “that, quite frankly, I didn’t think could be done: unify the Republican party and all of America in support of John McCain and Sarah Palin.”

And could that be the real point of the attacks on the media? To unify the Republican Party?

No, that is simply the cynical, media view.

Though as Lily Tomlin says, “No matter how cynical I get, it’s just never enough to keep up.”

I couldn’t resist that. For which I am sorry.


indeed. not asking questions is what drew us into Iraq. never forget.
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Great posts Irvine

I can't not post this link. Can you say hypocrisy?
Sarah Palin Gender Card | The Daily Show | Comedy Central
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Sarah Palin Gender Card | The Daily Show | Comedy Central
This should be made a sticky!!! EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THIS...
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I lmao'ed when I saw that. That's one of the best things I've seen on "The Daily Show" in a long time.
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The whole show last night was brilliant! I liked how Jon caught Gingrinch in the whole 'choice' issue as well.
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Jon Stewart should be watched by everyone! He is great!
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Green Party supporter Rick Seno sees Palin as "the female Republican version of Barack Obama." The Dallas, Texas, resident said he noticed several similarities between the two politicians as Palin delivered her convention speech.

"She's a talented speaker. She gives a great speech. She has the ability to capture people's attention and give them hope and make them excited," he said. "But when it comes to her record and her lack of experience, she is equally unprepared to be in the White House."


She's hardly a talented speaker. She sounds like Francis McDormand's character from "Fargo". Small-town voice. Not at all inspiring.

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To Rob Crawford of Washington, D.C., Palin appeared "condescending and elitist" during her acceptance speech. Crawford, who supports Obama, described last week's Democratic National Convention as "inclusive" and the Republican convention as "divisive."

"I feel as if this country will be more divided than ever tomorrow morning," he wrote on iReport.com after watching Palin's address. "I did not feel this way last week. I saw the same thing eight years ago with a charming, affable guy from Texas who had very bad ideas."

This is spot on. The big speakers at the DNC bent over backwards to separate man from politician, over and over you heard the phrase, "John McCain is a good man" or "John McCain is my friend". Here, they see nothing wrong with personal attacks and non-stop mockery.

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James Martin of Mooresville, South Carolina, described Palin as "nasty, crude and totally unacceptable as VP." He was especially offended by the "cheap shots" she took at Obama and Democratic running mate Joe Biden.

"I can't see how America can be better off electing someone who shows so little respect," he added.
Indeed.
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Did you guys see the Obama: He completes us vid?

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She's hardly a talented speaker. She sounds like Francis McDormand's character from "Fargo". Small-town voice. Not at all inspiring.
A northern accent is hardly a reason not to vote for someone.

Stick to her creationism, her anti-choice position, her environmental positions, etc.
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Did you guys see the Obama: He completes us vid?

Barack Obama: He Completes Us | The Daily Show | Comedy Central


i did. i loved it.
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A northern accent is hardly a reason not to vote for someone.

Stick to her creationism, her anti-choice position, her environmental positions, etc.
I didn't say it was a reason not to vote for her. I just said I didn't think she was a very good speaker.

The reasons for not voting for her are the ones you just outlined.
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I thought it was hilarious, but I find almost anything John Stewart or Stephen Colbert say hilarious.
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if only obama were a fraction of the man that sarah is.

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Palin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


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I thought it was hilarious, but I find almost anything John Stewart or Stephen Colbert say hilarious.

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Having memorized a speech isn't "thinking on your feet". Palin's probably rarely used a telepromter before, therefore probably felt a little more comfortable memorizing the speech. We'll see how she does once she's making several different speeches a day and doesn't have time to read through the speech more than once.
Apparently, she did not 'wing' her speech as the teleprompter was working: Jonathan Martin's Blog: The Teleprompter did not break - Politico.com
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This is still a blog rumour, but it would be an interesting twist: Ben Smith's Blog: Palin raises $8 million — for Obama - Politico.com
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