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Old 09-07-2008, 11:10 AM   #401
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Some citizen in Wasilla said she tried to have the librarian fired when she was mayor for refusing to ban certain books.
i have heard that rumor floating about, but this list is just too ridiculous to be true!
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What are you talking about?

That list isn't on there at all nor is it in the NYT link.
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Appalachian Pennsyltucky Hillary voters are apparently not impressed?

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Trish Heckman, a 49-year-old restaurant cook and disappointed Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter, watched last week as the country's newest political star made her explosive debut.

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"I wanted Hillary to win so bad, but I saw Sarah, and it just didn't work for me," said Heckman, taking a break in the empty courtyard of J. Paul's restaurant in a downtown struggling to revive. "I have no retirement. Obama understands it's the economy. He knows how we live."

Heckman, like many others in this former coal-mining town at the western foot of the Appalachians, is the type of voter that both presidential campaigns will target in the final two months. Polls show that working-class women have emerged as one of the most critical categories of swing voters at a time when McCain and Barack Obama have galvanized their party bases but still need more votes to win.

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But now, after a chaotic introductory week that sparked national debates on McCain's judgment, Palin's experience and even her teenage daughter's pregnancy, the initial signs are not entirely positive for the reinvigorated Republican ticket.

Interviews with some two dozen women here after Palin's convention speech found that these voters were not swayed by the fiery dramatic speeches or compelling personal biographies that marked both the Republican and Democratic conventions. Instead, they were thinking about the price of milk -- nearly $5 a gallon -- or the healthcare coverage that many working families here cannot afford.

Even if they admire Palin's attempt to juggle political ambition, an infant son with Down syndrome and a pregnant unwed daughter, these women say that maternal grit is not enough to win their votes.

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Waitress Judy Artice, "Miss Judy," as she is known at Glisan's roadside diner, declared Palin "the perfect candidate" after watching her Wednesday speech. That said, Artice had already decided that her vote would go to the first candidate who mentioned gasoline prices.

"And -- I'll be danged -- it was Obama," Artice, 46, said between servings of liver and onions during the lunch rush.

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Uniontown was very much in the McCain campaign's sights throughout a convention that showcased Palin's small-town roots while portraying Obama, who lives in Chicago, as a big-city elitist.

Republican delegates and activists in the convention hall delighted in Palin's jabs at the Illinois senator, such as when she poked fun at the columned backdrop for Obama's stadium acceptance speech or mocked him as intent on "turning back the waters and healing the planet."

For many women here watching closely, though, that portion of Palin's speech was all they needed to hear.

When Palin belittled Obama's history as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side -- suggesting he was a do-little activist while she, as the former mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, had "actual responsibilities" -- Sandy Ryan, 59, clicked the remote.

"That's enough of that. I switched over to 'House Hunters,' " she said with some disgust over dessert with a group of women from the senior housing complex she manages.

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Patty Tobal, a 63-year-old retired nurse and lifelong feminist, shut off the TV set and went to bed. The promise of a woman on the ticket had piqued her curiosity, but she found Palin's sarcasm offensive and her priorities out of touch.

"We don't need any more fighting in Washington," Tobal said while having her hair done at a little shop on Route 40, where the customers go longer between appointments in these hard times. "Women are not for women just because they are women. We are intelligent enough to make a conscious decision."

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But those disenchanted voters could be balanced by newly inspired ones, such as Jennifer Glisan, 23, an emergency medical technician who saves lives every week but cannot afford health insurance. Clinton's gender was enough to awaken her political interest, but Palin's failed to hold it.

"I think Palin is a fake. She will run the economy into the ground," Glisan said after catching glimpses of the vice presidential nominee's speech between emergency calls.

"I have to kill myself every day at work to earn enough to pay for gas to get there. I think Obama is sincere. I think we need a change."
Sarah Palin's appeal to working-class women may be limited - Los Angeles Times

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that is a interesting article.. thanks for posting it.
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I've heard more men go gaga about Palin than women. The article reflects the opinions of many of the local women I've talked to.
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You know, any talk of banning books is unacceptable.
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Another post on another forum says the list of books that were attempted to be banned is from Time Magazine:

A list of books Sarah Palin *attempted* to have banned as mayor of hometown
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You know, any talk of banning books is unacceptable.


sometimes books need to be banned in order to protect children. there are books that have mature, adult themes regarding sex and sexuality, and they need to be judiciously kept from underaged children who are not at all ready to grapple with their difficult themes. the sexualization of pre-teens and teenagers is a terrible thing, so why make it easier by having a state-funded building house materials that can lead to the sexualization of children and thusly result in unintended but very tangible negative social repercussions.

like teen pregnancy.

please. think of the children.
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This is the HUGE problem with this election. There have been so many rumors and 1/2 truths spun to make a particular candidate look questionable. There have been some on the side of Obama and a boat load in just over a week about Palin. Thankfully we have 2 months where both tickets will be able to present their case to America and, hopefully, we can all sift through the BS from Kos and the like....as well as on the Conservative side, and make a good decision.

I just hope we,, as Americas, can make our decision base on more than: hating GW Bush, voting for a woman, voting for a black man, buying into liberal rumors, buying into conservative rumors, and any other stupid thing that has noting do to with running our country. However, I have my doubts at least regarding the hated of GW Bush from the left. I'm pretty sure the Obama could be found with a dead hooker in his hotel room and the Bush haters wouldn't bat an eye.
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This is the HUGE problem with this election. There have been so many rumors and 1/2 truths spun to make a particular candidate look questionable. There have been some on the side of Obama and a boat load in just over a week about Palin. Thankfully we have 2 months where both tickets will be able to present their case to America and, hopefully, we can all sift through the BS from Kos and the like....as well as on the Conservative side, and make a good decision.

I just hope we,, as Americas, can make our decision base on more than: hating GW Bush, voting for a woman, voting for a black man, buying into liberal rumors, buying into conservative rumors, and any other stupid thing that has noting do to with running our country. However, I have my doubts at least regarding the hated of GW Bush from the left. I'm pretty sure the Obama could be found with a dead hooker in his hotel room and not bat an eye.


i totally agree. except for the last part, obvy.

i think Sarah Palin needs to get out there in the media and start talking to people so she can actually address these things.

sadly, she's going to be studying for the next three weeks and will be unavailable to the press ... with the exception, i'm hearing, of People Magazine.
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please. think of the children.

I always forget this.
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i totally agree. except for the last part, obvy.

i think Sarah Palin needs to get out there in the media and start talking to people so she can actually address these things.

sadly, she's going to be studying for the next three weeks and will be unavailable to the press ... with the exception, i'm hearing, of People Magazine.
We'll see what happens with the polls. Zogby now has McCain/Palin up 4%. Depending on where things are tracking, she might get out there with the press sooner than later. They need to take advantage of the boost she has provided. The Left can try to pretend that she is not pulling away Clinton voters, but the fact is, every one that she does pull away, and it is happening, is a vote McCain most likely did not have before. She is making an impact. Its a question of how much of one.

I think the McCain's people will have to be careful with who they talk to. I dont mean looking for pro-Republican media but they need to have discernment to avoid the ones who are clearly in the bag for Obama and are looking to destroy her. She still has to talk to the liberal press IMO. She has to show that she can face them and that she is not what the rumors say she is. That is, if that is the case.
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This is the HUGE problem with this election. There have been so many rumors and 1/2 truths spun to make a particular candidate look questionable. There have been some on the side of Obama and a boat load in just over a week about Palin. Thankfully we have 2 months where both tickets will be able to present their case to America and, hopefully, we can all sift through the BS from Kos and the like....as well as on the Conservative side, and make a good decision.

I just hope we,, as Americas, can make our decision base on more than: hating GW Bush, voting for a woman, voting for a black man, buying into liberal rumors, buying into conservative rumors, and any other stupid thing that has noting do to with running our country.
This is rather interesting given the ad you posted in the other thread...

That being said I agree for the most part.

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However, I have my doubts at least regarding the hated of GW Bush from the left. I'm pretty sure the Obama could be found with a dead hooker in his hotel room and the Bush haters wouldn't bat an eye.
Your hated of anything left of Limbaugh is apparent, but let's not forget your party isn't too crazy about Bush either. Oh you all fake it well and support him but try and distance yourselves from him as much as you can. McCain is having people escorted out of his townhall meetings that have 'McCain = Bush' signs, so we're not the only ones who "hate" Bush.
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We won't know until tomorrow the full impact of the Republican convention on the race, but already there has been a big bounce for McCain/Palin relative to where they were just prior to the convention or even just before Sarah Palin spoke at the convention on Wendsday.

Obama/Biden got out to a 8 point lead over McCain during their convention, and just before Sarah Palin spoke at the Republican convention the Obama/Biden ticket had a 7 point lead still. As of today, the McCain/Palin ticket is now ahead by 3 points with just 58 days to go until election day in the latest gallup poll.

I believe in this election environment there is a definite ceiling on how many votes the Republicans can potentially get in the popular vote, probably not more than a 3% margin over the Obama ticket if everything went their way. With the Gallup poll already showing the McCain/Palin ticket at that point with one more day needed to determine the full immediate impact of the Republican convention, it appears that McCain has definitely picked the person for VP who will give the ticket its best chance of winning in November. The other competitive contenders, Lieberman, and Ridge probably would not have helped the ticket as much do to the damage they would do to support from the base. Governor Palin appears to have indeed passed the do no harm test and is attracting new people to the ticket. Having Romney or Pawlenty on the ticket clearly would not have generated this type of energy and coverage.

Nearly as many people watched Sarah Palin speak, 37 million as watched Obama speak 38 million. Then the following night, John McCain who is not noted for giving great speaches beat both of them with 39 million.

At this point, Harry Vest conclusions appear to be right on the money. What ever happens in November, the Republicans have probably put up the ticket that would give them their best chance at winning the election.

Even before the convention, John McCain was already beating Obama among men alone by 6 percentage points. John McCain was behind Obama with women by 10 points. With Sarah Palin on the ticket now, Obama's advantage with women should grow smaller, although by how much it will is still a question.




Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45%
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Another post on another forum says the list of books that were attempted to be banned is from Time Magazine:

A list of books Sarah Palin *attempted* to have banned as mayor of hometown

I knew the information was out there.


This proves the list was accurate.


So, I should stand by my original post?

That link proves those are the books she would have banned
if they did not stand up and stop her !
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This goes back to 1999!

and those books stayed in the library.


We don't know what would have happened if these books were not available to children.


Perhaps, Bristol and young Levi's situation would be different ?
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This is rather interesting given the ad you posted in the other thread...

That being said I agree for the most part.

Your hated of anything left of Limbaugh is apparent, but let's not forget your party isn't too crazy about Bush either. Oh you all fake it well and support him but try and distance yourselves from him as much as you can. McCain is having people escorted out of his townhall meetings that have 'McCain = Bush' signs, so we're not the only ones who "hate" Bush.
With Bush I agree and disagree. I agree that we need to see the war in Iraq through or we are inviting the terrorist to bring the battle to our soil. I agree with the tax cuts which the facts of have been twisted by the left.

On immigration, I disagree with him. I live in Southern California so I see the effects of it more so than many other areas of the country.

I dont agree with every position John McCain but I agree with much of what he, as our President, would have control over. This is what bothers me about a subject like abortion. What gets brought up is the appointment of Justices.....a process that requires congressional approval. A President himself cannot overturn Row V. Wade, yet people will make this a HUGE issue swinging their vote. I have my views on this subject but I am more concerned with national security, the economy, energy....issues that President really effects. I choose to vote on what the President can do, not issues where his effect is minimal at best.
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What gets brought up is the appointment of Justices.....a process that requires congressional approval. A President himself cannot overturn Row V. Wade, yet people will make this a HUGE issue swinging their vote.
Traditionally, Supreme Court justice appointees are summarily approved, barring exceptional circumstances. Hence, the President is far more important on this issue than Congress.
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The reality is that Roe v. Wade really can't be overturned without overhauling pretty much the entire American concept of privacy law, which interestingly enough would not be something the right seems interested in.

Further than that, it will not be overturned because this is the right's bread and butter and what would they have to kvetch about then? It's a perfectly divisive issue that they can keep going on and on because the courts will do nothing in the end. It isn't this decision in particular that worries me with a Conservative court - Roberts and Alito especially have shown that it is essentially every other area that they would get their paws into first.

It is unfortunate that the SCOTUS has become a political body in the US. The Canadian Supreme Court is nothing like that. Of course if you read the judgments you can sort the justices into political categories, some more obvious than others (like L'Heureux-Dube, who retired a few years ago). But there is not this prevailing sense in this country that the court lives and dies by our federal elections or that decisions swing like a pendulum out of control based on who is doing the appointing.

Plus, we have 4 female justices (out of 9), including the Chief Justice. Something severely and sorely lacking in the US, a country where more females are getting JDs than males, and the ivy league admissions have pretty much equalized so that factually there is no tangible difference in skill level or ability anymore.
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Traditionally, Supreme Court justice appointees are summarily approved, barring exceptional circumstances. Hence, the President is far more important on this issue than Congress.
Harriet Myers....the scrutiny of Clarence Thomas? Of Alito?


I completely disagree. If it was that easy to over turn, it would have been done so by now...Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush....
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