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Old 09-06-2008, 10:38 PM   #381
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I won't pretend to know everything about the Reagan era, I was young then, and a lot less politically aware than I am now, but wasn't he very secular, politically? Jr. made a comment that he would never have agreed with the religious right turn that the party has taken, and Palin seems to be a poster child for that segment of the party, so in that way, RR Jr's comments make sense.

Or am I misremembering what RR Sr was about?
One could say he was somewhat secular while Governor of CA.

But to say he was secular as President is revisionist history,
he is responsible for the Religions Right.
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I am 23, so I was only alive for Reagen's second term and that was from birth to age 4, so clearly I wasn't able to observe him or form any opinions about him while he was in office. So what I am about to say is based only what I have been able so observe of him after the fact.

The biggest difference I see between Reagan and Palin is this: Reagan - and I see this characteristic quite a bit in Mitt Romney now as well - seemed to be a bit idealistic and pie-in-the-sky about America sometimes - the whole, "shining city on a hill", "what makes America the greatest nation on Earth is the American people", thing. When I hear that, I say, "no, it's not the American people, it's the fact that America is the wealthiest country in the world combined with the freedoms and rights guaranteed to all its citizens in the constitution on which it was founded that makes it the greatest nation on Earth, and even then it's subjective."

Point being, Palin doesn't strike me as a person who would believe in or publicly state that kind of fairy-tale pie-in-the-sky idealism. I find myself having a difficult time articulating this...she comes off as sort of, a more 'no bullshit' kind of person. But that 'no bullshit' mentality leads to a lack of charisma, which Reagan had a lot of(former actor and all). Like I said, I'm not articulating this as well as I want to. Maybe someone else understands what I'm trying to say and can articulate it better.

This is all personality stuff though. As far as pure politics are concerned, I see Palin being considerably further right than Reagan.

So, given that she has faaaaaaaar less charisma than Reagan and given that she doesn't seem to be nearly as moderate as Reagan was on some issues(and not nearly as knowledgeable either), I don't see why anyone would say they're so similar.
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I am 23, so I was only alive for Reagen's second term and that was from birth to age 4,

So, given that she has faaaaaaaar less charisma than Reagan and given that she doesn't seem to be nearly as moderate as Reagan was on some issues(and not nearly as knowledgeable either), I don't see why anyone would say they're so similar.

As far as pure politics are concerned, I see Palin being considerably further right than Reagan.
It is kind of interesting to hear what people think
or feel, the impressions they have

so do a little research (google or any other search engine )

I'd like you to come back and give me some examples of a few of Reagan's moderate programs or positions ?
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One could say he was somewhat secular while Governor of CA.

But to say he was secular as President is revisionist history,
he is responsible for the Religions Right.
I thought it was more that Falwell and the Moral Majority co-opted Reagan. The article by Jr said that he didn't even attend church regularly.

The whole discussion is moot, though. I don't think either son can claim to know with any certainty what his thoughts would have been. Interestingly though, he did say that his mother thought the choice of Palin was suspect.
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I'd like you to come back and give me some examples of a few of Reagan's moderate programs or positions ?
Good point. "Moderate" Reagan is revisionist history. His policies were most certainly conservative, and the judges he appointed were meant to be conservative, even if some of them didn't obey (although Scalia more than makes up for it).
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It is kind of interesting to hear what people think
or feel, the impressions they have

so do a little research (google or any other search engine )

I'd like you to come back and give me some examples of a few of Reagan's moderate programs or positions ?
I wasn't saying that I think Reagan was was so much of moderate, that's just how far right I think Palin is. From what I read, Reagan was moderate as governor of California, and then not a moderate anymore as president. One could argue whether that change was genuine or not, much like Romney's move further to the right, or McCain's move further to the right during their presidential campaigns. In any event, as president, Reagan was right-wing, and Palin seems even more right-wing. In comparison to Palin, Reagan seems more moderate.

But again, I didn't know what politics was when Reagan was president, so maybe my interpretation is incorrect.
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The whole discussion is moot, though. I don't think either son can claim to know with any certainty what his thoughts would have been.
Interestingly though, he did say that his mother thought the choice of Palin was suspect.
That is more about McCain
and it is true Reagan repulicans, right wing conservatives are not crazy about moderate McCain.
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Good point. "Moderate" Reagan is revisionist history. His policies were most certainly conservative, and the judges he appointed were meant to be conservative, even if some of them didn't obey (although Scalia more than makes up for it).


Robert Bork - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

none of McCain's justices that would be approved

would be as bad as Reagan's pick
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Robert Bork - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

none of McCain's justices that would be approved

would be as bad as Reagan's pick
It doesn't matter if they're "bad".

A court dominated by conservatives would be a bad thing, imo.

As it is right now, of the conservative wing, Roberts and Alito are under 60, Thomas is exactly 60, and Scalia is 72. The only one of these that seems to have any possibility of not being on the SCOTUS any time soon is Scalia, and even then, he seems in pretty good health and in no hurry to step down.

Of the liberal wing, Breyer is 70, Ginsburg is 75, Stevens is 88, and Souter is 68. Ginsberg is 75, has had cancer, and there has been rumor here and there for a while about impending retirement for her. Souter has been rumored to be thinking about retirement despite being only 68. The chances of Stevens, at 88, of being on the SCOTUS by the end of even Obama or McCain's first term are close to nil. I've read that the only reason he hasn't retired yet is because he doesn't want his replacement to be a GWB nomination. And let's not forget that Kennedy, a right-leaning centrist who is often the court's swing vote, is 72.

The point here is that it is highly likely that at least one or two of them will be replaced during the next presidency(especially if it's an eight-year presidency), and it's not too much of a stretch to think that more than that could be replaced. If Obama gets elected, then by way of his nominations, the court will probably end up being more or less the way it is now(unless Kennedy is replaced in which case the court could take a small step left), but if McCain gets elected, we could be looking at dominantly conservative court a few years down the line.

McCain's replacements won't have to be "bad" like this Bork guy to make the SCOTUS a dominantly conservative court - all they'll have to be is conservative.
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That is more about McCain
and it is true Reagan repulicans, right wing conservatives are not crazy about moderate McCain.
Not with him, but wouldn't they at least be pleased with his self-described far right pick?
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When did Nancy supposedly say this, before she spoke?

Palin is less far right than Reagan.

And Ron Jr's whole agenda and bias is trying to make a case for Obama, whom he supports.

Ronald Reagan would never support Obama - Biden.
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Daily Kos: Palin banning books

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This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
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I love lists of books people want banned. Those are always the first ones I want to read.

While I'd love to be outraged over Sarah Palin wanting to ban these books, I can't find any proof that she actually ever did want the books you listed banned. What I found when I checked your link was someone citing a NYT article. Here is a section of that article:

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Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.

Anne Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.

In 1996, Ms. Palin suggested to the local paper, The Frontiersman, that the conversations about banning books were “rhetorical.”
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She does seem to like to fire anyone who she perceives as crossing her though. I think those around her would do well to never turn their back on her.
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in the states, most conservatives are considered a joke by most liberals.
ahhh, but you forget the country is more conservative than liberal.

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ahhh, but you forget the country is more conservative than liberal.

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^in your mind buddy...
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Don't know if this has been posted, don't have time to go thru all 27 pages here, but Heart is upset their song Barracuda was used:

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Heart condemns McCain-Palin use of ‘Barracuda’ - Blogs from CNN.com
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this is hilarious if true (which i doubt).

to kill a mockingbird? seriously?
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Some citizen in Wasilla said she tried to have the librarian fired when she was mayor for refusing to ban certain books.
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