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Old 11-26-2002, 06:44 PM   #1
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Is GW Bush a Moron>?

So is he. I dont want to debate it just poll!
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Old 11-26-2002, 08:53 PM   #2
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mo·ron ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môrn, mr-)
n.
A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
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yeah, he puts on a 'good ol' boy act', but that don't mean he's a moron and he ain't edjumacated.

Didn't he go to both Harvard *and* Yale?

I believe he's a lot sharper and more intelligent than people give him credit for. He may have outwardly simple ways, and may not be the great orator that Clinton was, but I often wonder what Al Gore might have done after 9-11 if he'd been elected....and if he would have had the same national rallying power as GWB did.

And doesn't GWB have some of the highest overall ratings of *any* president *ever*according to some polls?

Moron??? No way, mon.
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yeah, he puts on a 'good ol' boy act', but that don't mean he's a moron and he ain't edjumacated.

Didn't he go to both Harvard *and* Yale?

I believe he's a lot sharper and more intelligent than people give him credit for. He may have outwardly simple ways, and may not be the great orator that Clinton was, but I often wonder what Al Gore might have done after 9-11 if he'd been elected....and if he would have had the same national rallying power as GWB did.

And doesn't GWB have some of the highest overall ratings of *any* president *ever*according to some polls?

Moron??? No way, mon.
I agree - all the Bush-bashing lately has made me sad....
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And doesn't GWB have some of the highest overall ratings of *any* president *ever*according to some polls?
That only means he's not the only moron around.

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No, I don't think he's a moron. And I agree with Disco and BLS.
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I'm not sure.
He lacks any common sense whatsoever but he must be doing something right to make us believe his lies.

I've abstained from voting so far, but I'm tempted to vote yes at the moment.
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Tis interesting ya know, none of us can say for certain the man is a moron. Sounds honestly like *general dislike* is being confused with a somewhat inappropriate term.
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Tis interesting ya know, none of us can say for certain the man is a moron. Sounds honestly like *general dislike* is being confused with a somewhat inappropriate term.
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Or maybe we are having a laugh and you are taking it to seriuosly!!
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I've heard good points from both sides. I think Bush is doing a better job than most Americans would do, but that doesn't say much about the state of the union.

By definition Bush is not a moron, but how often do we resort to calling "stupid" people as morons? All the time, right? That being said I don't know if we should assume that the Canadian representative that brought this conversation about should be held to Webster's definition.

Bush is definitely stupid in front of the camera. Maybe he's still camera-shy....it could happen

One more thing: Discotheque asked if Gore would have been able to unite the masses after 9/11. My answer is, yes. Any president would have done a satisfactory job. Does anyone honestly believe that it would have been any different had it been Gore? First off, the media would never criticize anyone after an event like 9/11. Bush was guaranteed to jump in the polls due to the level of the atrocity. Bush did whatever anyone else would have done.

That brings up my last point. It's off-subject, but worth it.
------If 9/11 never happened, how would Bush be viewed by the American public? I think the attack was the best thing that ever happened to Bush, because his approval rating skyrocketed from the 50% to over 80%, it took focus away from the economic problems, etc.
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Yes, Angela Harlem. it is a possibility to confuse the 'general dislike' with the true nature of his intelligence.

However, one should ask WHY this general dislike exists.
I certainly know about mine, and I am pretty sure I'm not confusing the elements.

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That only means he's not the only moron around.

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Here's an article about an American author who wanted to write a humorous book about Bush's use (or lack thereof) of language, but in the course of writing it he thinks far from being a moron, based on his speech patterns, Bush is in fact an angry, violent Sociopath!!

Bush anything but moronic, according to author
Dark overtones in his malapropisms President


When Mark Crispin Miller first set out to write Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder, about the ever-growing catalogue of President George W. Bush's verbal gaffes, he meant it for a laugh. But what he came to realize wasn't entirely amusing.

Since the 2000 presidential campaign, Miller has been compiling his own collection of Bush-isms, which have revealed, he says, a disquieting truth about what lurks behind the cock-eyed leer of the leader of the free world. He's not a moron at all — on that point, Miller and Prime Minister Jean Chrétien agree.

But according to Miller, he's no friend.

"I did initially intend it to be a funny book. But that was before I had a chance to read through all the transcripts," Miller, an American author and a professor of culture and communication at New York University, said recently in Toronto.

"Bush is not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this is what a lot of people miss."

Miller's judgment, that the president might suffer from a bona fide personality disorder, almost makes one long for the less menacing notion currently making the rounds: that the White House's current occupant is, in fact, simply an idiot.

If only. Miller's rendering of the president is bleaker than that. In studying Bush's various adventures in oration, he started to see a pattern emerging.

"He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about revenge.

"When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and grammar are fine," Miller said.

"It's only when he leaps into the wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes."

While Miller's book has been praised for its "eloquence" and "playful use of language," it has enraged Bush supporters.

Bush's ascent in the eyes of many Americans — his approval rating hovers at near 80 percent — was the direct result of tough talk following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. In those speeches, Bush stumbled not at all; his language of retribution was clear.

It was a sharp contrast to the pre-9/11 George W. Bush. Even before the Supreme Court in 2001 had to intervene and rule on recounts in Florida after a contentious presidential election, a corps of journalists were salivating at the prospect: a bafflingly inarticulate man in a position of power not seen since vice-president Dan Quayle rode shotgun on George H.W. Bush's one term in office.

But equating Bush's malapropisms with Quayle's inability to spell "potato" is a dangerous assumption, Miller says.

At a public address in Nashville, Tenn., in September, Bush provided one of his most memorable stumbles. Trying to give strength to his case that Saddam Hussein had already deceived the West concerning his store of weapons, Bush was scripted to offer an old saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. What came out was the following:

"Fool me once, shame ... shame on ... you." Long, uncomfortable pause. "Fool me — can't get fooled again!"

Played for laughs everywhere, Miller saw a darkness underlying the gaffe.

"There's an episode of Happy Days, where The Fonz has to say, `I'm sorry' and can't do it. Same thing," Miller said.

"What's revealing about this is that Bush could not say, `Shame on me' to save his life. That's a completely alien idea to him. This is a guy who is absolutely proud of his own inflexibility and rectitude."

If what Miller says is true — and it would take more than just observations to prove it — then Bush has achieved an astounding goal.

By stumbling blithely along, he has been able to push his image as "just folks" — a normal guy who screws up just like the rest of us.

This, in fact, is a central cog in his image-making machine, Miller says: Portraying the wealthy scion of one of America's most powerful families as a regular, imperfect Joe.

But the depiction, Miller says, is also remarkable for what it hides — imperfect, yes, but also detached, wealthy and unable to identify with the "folks" he's been designed to appeal to.

An example, Miller says, surfaced early in his presidential tenure.

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family," Bush was quoted as saying.

"That wasn't because he's so stupid that he doesn't know how to say, `Put food on your family's table' — it's because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table," Miller says.

So, when Bush is envisioning "a foreign-handed foreign policy," or observes on some point that "it's not the way that America is all about," Miller contends it's because he can't keep his focus on things that mean nothing to him.

"When he tries to talk about what this country stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it," he said.

This, then, is why he's so closely watched by his handlers, Miller says — not because he'll say something stupid, but because he'll overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he excels.

"He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy. He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper."

Miller, without question, is a man with a mission — and laughter isn't it.

"I call him the feel bad president, because he's all about punishment and death," he said. "It would be a grave mistake to just play him for laughs."
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Interesting enough points. He's either as stupid or he looks or more sinister than he looks.

Great, this bodes well for the future.

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yep.
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prolly next anti-christ..if u ask the correct political wonk

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want another reason why bush is an idiot? fine, ok, its not just bush, its the entire american government and the governments they control like puppets ie canada, the uk, etc.

who the HELL is terrorizing who? they keep bombing iraq, throw sanctions on them and for what? theyve been doing this since 91!

inspectors are searching the country and have found nothing thus far. meanwhile, as theyre doing their job (with the iraqi's being cooperative), "coalition" planes bomb air defence systems and kill at least three people. go to cnn.com if you want the full story.

this has been going on and on, and its brutal. who gave the americans the right to do this?! its not their country! they want absolute control and it sickens me.

as a canadian, all weve been hearing from the americans lately is "spend twice as much on your defence" and that were "soviet kanuckistan." thanks, if you werent so busy TERRORIZING other countries, maybe youd take some look at some of your own DOMESTIC issues. how handy is a war to divert the attention of the public when your healthcare is practically privatized, and your economy sucks balls.

the general american public is nice, but have their eyes hidden behind the red white and blue banner that is american politics.

this latest bit really pissed me off. i am so sick of the americans bitching to us "friends" on what to do.

and we call bush a moron and people are upset. big deal. we do that to chretien all the time, and even throw pies in his face and brake into his hotel room.

not an attack on the americans, but the american system which does NOT speak for the people of the states.
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