Is America more accepting of gay men than gay women?

Johnny Swallow · 12-31-1969, 07:00 PM

Sorry to hear that Tiny Dancer, but were you meaning that Falwell and Co. were responsible?

Bubba, Narcisism huh?

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Johnny Swallow · 02-26-2002, 10:44 PM

TheU2 · 02-26-2002, 10:46 PM

I love Rosie!!

CK

melon · 02-26-2002, 10:56 PM

Hell no. I would say it is the opposite. All homophobia is fixated on male homosexuality it seems. Lesbians, however, get time on PPV porn for straight men...

All in all, pay close attention to homophobia from interest groups. 9.99999999999999999/10, their reasoning involves their disgust of gay men.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

TheU2 · 02-26-2002, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by melon:

All in all, pay close attention to homophobia from interest groups. 9.99999999999999999/10, their reasoning involves their disgust of gay men.

Define interest groups. And how am I going to get comfortable quantifying their homophobia.

CK

Johnny Swallow · 02-26-2002, 11:09 PM

I got to thinking about this after seeing another episode of 'Dismissed' out of sheer boredom. It had a segment with 3 guys going on a date, and I've seen maybe half a dozen all guy dates on the show before but have never seen any with all girls. It just seemed to me like an issue which could be discussed from many different angles and have different answers. I mean this could be a gay/straight issue, a male/female issue, a American/Non issue.

**KhanadaRhodes** · 02-26-2002, 11:29 PM

swallow, a lot of times i think these shows do stuff like that to make themselves look cool. like, "hey! we're not homophobes!! we looooooove gay men!!! in fact, let's focus an entire episode on them!!!"

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Lemonite · 02-26-2002, 11:33 PM

Just giving an opinion I've noticed in my time on this earth...

Girls can Kiss each other, Straight, lez, and no one will really chime out anything, Girls can dance with each other, and nasty old men will drool... And passing two girls holding hands in the park, I'll hardly look twice...

Now... Guys.. And here follows Rhetoric for effect.. People (myself included) become disgusted with two guys grinding on each other at a College Dance, One grabbing the other's ass.. Nasty old Men will turn, shake their heads, and just mumble Queer..
And, I'm not sure why.. But just looking at an unnecessary display of Male/Male affection, just leaves me with a sick feeling in my stomach knowing that when they go home, one of them is going to have a d#ck in his mouth (A Quote that I cannot be credited with Stating).. Sure.. It may not lead to that always, but Again.. Rhetoric for effect.

But Hey.. to each their own... As long as I don't see it, then I don't have a problem.. Good Ol Brandon from Survivor was a good representative of the society.

I think a lot of people get nauseated over it or what not is because the large majority of people think it is wrong.. Including myself.. Hence people are not going to really get queasy if they see a guy and a girl making out at a college dorm party.

Again, stating things as they are...

L.Unplugged

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melon · 02-26-2002, 11:40 PM

See...that's the problem. Straight society has no problem flaunting itself all over the fucking place, and the minute gays/lesbians attempt to do the same thing, it is seen as "flaunting." And I just love that automatic assumption that gay flirting always leads to sex. Nice.... If you are troubled with thoughts of dicks in mouths, the problem is with you for not being able to control your own thoughts.

Grr...I get so angry at times I wish I could break things...

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

**KhanadaRhodes** · 02-26-2002, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by melon:
See...that's the problem. Straight society has no problem flaunting itself all over the fucking place, and the minute gays/lesbians attempt to do the same thing, it is seen as "flaunting." And I just love that automatic assumption that gay flirting always leads to sex. Nice.... If you are troubled with thoughts of dicks in mouths, the problem is with you for not being able to control your own thoughts.

Whortense · 02-26-2002, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by melon:
I wish I could break things...

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Johnny Swallow · 02-27-2002, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Melon:
I wish I could break things...

You bring me one step closer to the edge...and I'm about to break.
True poetry, heh heh.

Achtung_Bebe · 02-27-2002, 12:51 AM

gay/lesbian can flirt in public and should be able to do so without giving off the idea that they are sexually active... please... I can't believe I just read that.

I have gay and lesbian friends and personally it gets to me when I see this kind of immediate reaction toward them, because it doesn't exactly seem fair. It's as if gays and lesbians are labelled as sexually perverted. (aren't we all?)

To the topic, I think America is more accepting of gay women, and that's why the tv series "dare" to tell the tale of gay men... It's a double standard, but it sure seems to ring true--two lesbians going at it seems to be more of a fantasy to men than a cringeworthy affair. I even see this where I work--once two girls came in, both attractive, and they were holding hands and one kissed the other's cheek. After they had been waited on there was a series of "whoo did you see that? awesome!" out of the guys I work with.

Achtung Bubba · 02-27-2002, 01:20 AM

Isn't Whortense Melon, and vice versa?

In which case, what's the point giving yourself a thumbs up? It seems unnecessary and narcissistic.

ANYWAY, I actually have a reasonable theory about why lesbian porn (and therefore lesbianism) is more accepted by heterosexual men:

When watching porn, men want to A) see naked women and B) become aroused at the sight of naked women. With heterosexual porn, one runs the risk of accidentally becoming aroused by the male physique, which is definitely contrary to the intended purpose. With lesbian porn, no such risk; a male can look without fear of getting horny from seeing another male's rear.

Achtung Bubba · 02-27-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
It seems unnecessary and narcissistic.

Achtung_Bebe · 02-27-2002, 02:05 AM

if your theory is true Bubba then the majority of men are quite homophobic and that's sad. Hey here's a thought-- just drop porn altogether, that way you won't be arroused by men plus you'll have better chances at being a decent dude and future mate...

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Calluna · 02-27-2002, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
It seems unnecessary and narcissistic.

It may *seem* that way to you but things are not always as they appear. It *seems* to me that you are just taking unprovoked jabs at melon.

z edge · 02-27-2002, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:

When watching porn, men want to A) see naked women and B) become aroused at the sight of naked women. With heterosexual porn, one runs the risk of accidentally becoming aroused by the male physique, which is definitely contrary to the intended purpose. With lesbian porn, no such risk; a male can look without fear of getting horny from seeing another male's rear.

Your point dosen't really make sense to me. Why would you be afraid of something that might accidentally arouse or excite you??

That makes as much sense as defecating in your own bed.

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LarryMullen's POPAngel · 02-27-2002, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by melon:

Grr...I get so angry at times I wish I could break things...

Agreed.

tiny dancer · 02-27-2002, 07:34 AM

By know means no. You got people like Jerry Falwell and the Christan Coalition who are totally against them, as well as judging them. Hey my cousin was gay and died of aids, and even some of my family members could not except him. He was a good and kind hearted person and I missed him terribly.

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Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 11:20 AM	Sorry to hear that Tiny Dancer, but were you meaning that Falwell and Co. were responsible? Bubba, Narcisism huh? [This message has been edited by Johnny Swallow (edited 02-27-2002).] __________________

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tiny dancer Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: small town Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 96,451 Local Time: 04:20 PM	By know means no. You got people like Jerry Falwell and the Christan Coalition who are totally against them, as well as judging them. Hey my cousin was gay and died of aids, and even some of my family members could not except him. He was a good and kind hearted person and I missed him terribly. __________________

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02-26-2002, 10:46 PM	#3
TheU2 Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SI, NY, USA Posts: 1,189 Local Time: 04:20 PM	I love Rosie!! CK

02-26-2002, 10:56 PM	#4
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 12:20 PM	Hell no. I would say it is the opposite. All homophobia is fixated on male homosexuality it seems. Lesbians, however, get time on PPV porn for straight men... All in all, pay close attention to homophobia from interest groups. 9.99999999999999999/10, their reasoning involves their disgust of gay men. Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

02-26-2002, 11:09 PM	#6
Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 11:20 AM	I got to thinking about this after seeing another episode of 'Dismissed' out of sheer boredom. It had a segment with 3 guys going on a date, and I've seen maybe half a dozen all guy dates on the show before but have never seen any with all girls. It just seemed to me like an issue which could be discussed from many different angles and have different answers. I mean this could be a gay/straight issue, a male/female issue, a American/Non issue.

02-26-2002, 11:29 PM	#7
KhanadaRhodes Paper Gods Forum Administrator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: a vampire in the limousine Posts: 60,695 Local Time: 10:20 AM	swallow, a lot of times i think these shows do stuff like that to make themselves look cool. like, "hey! we're not homophobes!! we looooooove gay men!!! in fact, let's focus an entire episode on them!!!" ------------------ she wore canvas shoes white canvas shoes, around her neck she wore a silver necklace... ME! all day, every day! "...a poptart in pants..." -- elizabeth

02-26-2002, 11:33 PM	#8
Lemonite I'm a chauvinist leprechaun Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556 Posts: 1,072 Local Time: 04:20 PM	Just giving an opinion I've noticed in my time on this earth... Girls can Kiss each other, Straight, lez, and no one will really chime out anything, Girls can dance with each other, and nasty old men will drool... And passing two girls holding hands in the park, I'll hardly look twice... Now... Guys.. And here follows Rhetoric for effect.. People (myself included) become disgusted with two guys grinding on each other at a College Dance, One grabbing the other's ass.. Nasty old Men will turn, shake their heads, and just mumble Queer.. And, I'm not sure why.. But just looking at an unnecessary display of Male/Male affection, just leaves me with a sick feeling in my stomach knowing that when they go home, one of them is going to have a d#ck in his mouth (A Quote that I cannot be credited with Stating).. Sure.. It may not lead to that always, but Again.. Rhetoric for effect. But Hey.. to each their own... As long as I don't see it, then I don't have a problem.. Good Ol Brandon from Survivor was a good representative of the society. I think a lot of people get nauseated over it or what not is because the large majority of people think it is wrong.. Including myself.. Hence people are not going to really get queasy if they see a guy and a girl making out at a college dorm party. Again, stating things as they are... L.Unplugged [This message has been edited by Lemonite (edited 02-26-2002).]

02-26-2002, 11:40 PM	#9
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 12:20 PM	See...that's the problem. Straight society has no problem flaunting itself all over the fucking place, and the minute gays/lesbians attempt to do the same thing, it is seen as "flaunting." And I just love that automatic assumption that gay flirting always leads to sex. Nice.... If you are troubled with thoughts of dicks in mouths, the problem is with you for not being able to control your own thoughts. Grr...I get so angry at times I wish I could break things... Melon ------------------ "He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

02-27-2002, 12:51 AM	#13
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:20 AM	gay/lesbian can flirt in public and should be able to do so without giving off the idea that they are sexually active... please... I can't believe I just read that. I have gay and lesbian friends and personally it gets to me when I see this kind of immediate reaction toward them, because it doesn't exactly seem fair. It's as if gays and lesbians are labelled as sexually perverted. (aren't we all?) To the topic, I think America is more accepting of gay women, and that's why the tv series "dare" to tell the tale of gay men... It's a double standard, but it sure seems to ring true--two lesbians going at it seems to be more of a fantasy to men than a cringeworthy affair. I even see this where I work--once two girls came in, both attractive, and they were holding hands and one kissed the other's cheek. After they had been waited on there was a series of "whoo did you see that? awesome!" out of the guys I work with.

02-27-2002, 01:20 AM	#14
Achtung Bubba Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: One Nation. Under God. Posts: 1,513 Local Time: 11:20 AM	Isn't Whortense Melon, and vice versa? In which case, what's the point giving yourself a thumbs up? It seems unnecessary and narcissistic. ANYWAY, I actually have a reasonable theory about why lesbian porn (and therefore lesbianism) is more accepted by heterosexual men: When watching porn, men want to A) see naked women and B) become aroused at the sight of naked women. With heterosexual porn, one runs the risk of accidentally becoming aroused by the male physique, which is definitely contrary to the intended purpose. With lesbian porn, no such risk; a male can look without fear of getting horny from seeing another male's rear.

02-27-2002, 02:05 AM	#16
Achtung_Bebe New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Beneath the noise, below the din Posts: 2,859 Local Time: 10:20 AM	if your theory is true Bubba then the majority of men are quite homophobic and that's sad. Hey here's a thought-- just drop porn altogether, that way you won't be arroused by men plus you'll have better chances at being a decent dude and future mate... [This message has been edited by Achtung_Bebe (edited 02-27-2002).]