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Old 07-31-2007, 01:41 PM   #201
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Who said it was an abomination?
why else wouldn't it be acceptable?
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Who said it was an abomination?
Well, on what grounds are you describing its "acceptability."

I assumed legally, and you inferred legality in your heroin comparison. But you backed off that, so what is it then?
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Some think it's biological but not all.

Not all scientists believe this conclusively despite a concerted effort to market it as such.


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Everything about human beings is biological.
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Is that so?
Are we ruling out psychology or spirituality found in human beings my fine atheist friend?

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I'm still interested about what grounds you want to deem its acceptability on.
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Is that so?
Are we ruling out psychology or spirituality found in human beings my fine atheist friend?

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Products of the human mind which is a material entity, and in relation to homosexuality, heterosexuality and everything in between it dominates. A sex drive is a very important element for a mammalian species and it is ludicrous to remove the human one from that of other animals, or to accept that heterosexual behaviour is natural, normal and biologically based but homosexual behaviour is deviant and a matter of choice.

And as far as paedophiles go - since they are obviously so connected and relevant
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Brain pathology in pedophilic offenders: evidence of volume reduction in the right amygdala and related diencephalic structures.
Kolja Schiltz, Joachim Witzel, Georg Northoff, Kathrin Zierhut, Udo Gubka, Hermann Fellmann, Jörn Kaufmann, Claus Tempelmann, Christine Wiebking, Bernhard Bogerts

CONTEXT: Pedophilic crime causes considerable public concern, but no causative factor of pedophilia has yet been pinpointed. In the past, etiological theories postulated a major impact of the environment, but recent studies increasingly emphasize the role of neurobiological factors, as well. However, the role of alterations in brain structures that are crucial in the development of sexual behavior has not yet been systematically studied in pedophilic subjects. OBJECTIVE: To examine whether pedophilic perpetrators show structural neuronal deficits in brain regions that are critical for sexual behavior and how these deficits relate to criminological characteristics. DESIGN: Amygdalar volume and gray matter of related structures that are critical for sexual development were compared in 15 nonviolent male pedophilic perpetrators (forensic inpatients) and 15 controls using complementary morphometric analyses (voxel-based morphometry and volumetry). Psychosocial adjustment and sexual offenses were also assessed. RESULTS: Pedophilic perpetrators showed a significant decrease of right amygdalar volume, compared with healthy controls (P = .001). We observed reduced gray matter in the right amygdala, hypothalamus (bilaterally), septal regions, substantia innominata, and bed nucleus of the striae terminalis. In 8 of the 15 perpetrators, enlargement of the anterior temporal horn of the right lateral ventricle that adjoins the amygdala could be recognized by routine qualitative clinical assessment. Smaller right amygdalar volumes were correlated with the propensity to commit uniform pedophilic sexual offenses exclusively (P = .006) but not with age (P = .89). CONCLUSIONS: Pedophilic perpetrators show structural impairments of brain regions critical for sexual development. These impairments are not related to age, and their extent predicts how focused the scope of sexual offenses is on uniform pedophilic activity. Subtle defects of the right amygdala and closely related structures might be implicated in the pathogenesis of pedophilia and might possibly reflect developmental disturbances or environmental insults at critical periods
Peeling back the nature of the human brain doesn't diminish the importance of the great things it may produce, but it certainly can yield insights into human behaviour more useful than supposedly revealed truth. And if a biological explanation for instances of paedophilia makes individuals out to be victims for their behavior understand that one day being able to identify individuals at high risk and possibly avoid it's concequences through intervention would be more effective than imploring people to fight it with sheer strength of will (the Catholic Church is an institution that could benefit from a different approach to such behaviour).
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how convenient,
so we blame everything on nature, differrent shades of gray in our brain matter, and we're powerless to master our sexual drives like animals, and/or were all victims of circumstance or environment or whatever.

i'm not convinced, sorry no sale.
i will take God's word over man's developing theories.

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So could we blame it all on God?
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I'm still interested about what grounds you want to deem its acceptability on.
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how convenient,
so we blame everything on nature, differrent shades of gray in our brain matter, and we're powerless to master our sexual drives like animals, and/or were all victims of circumstance or environment or whatever.

i'm not convinced, sorry no sale.
i will take God's word over man's developing theories.

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Because the evidence doesn't support the religious notion of complete choice over sin you will reject it, and this is why neuroscience is going to murder literalistic faith - although to be fair geology and the theory of evolution have been doing it since the 19th century.

Is it coincidence that most men have no sexual attraction to children? Is it reasonable to find an explanation why that is? And if the answer doesn't conform to choice then can you accept it?

We (probably) have freedom over our actions, just because somebody has a sexual attraction to children doesn't excuse or diminish the terrible crime of sexually abusing a child.
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So could we blame it all on God?
some have tried i suppose, only adding to their aggravation, while others having attempted to assauge their misery finding no success and then jumping onto the anti-God band wagon or victim band wagon mentality.

My thought is God wouldn't give us any burden that we couldn't master if we sought his help through humility and being humble.

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i will take God's word over man's developing theories.


but "God's word" is a matter of faith and wildly relative, culturally-influenced interpretation of a text that's been translated into English from another language.

sure, science is hard, but at least it's tangible, measurable, and real to everyone, not just to believers.

i know it's more comfortable to to believe in God's word when faced with information that might challenge our worldviews, and you might miss it like a child misses their blanket.
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some have tried i suppose, only adding to their aggravation, while others having attempted to assauge their misery finding no success and then jumping onto the anti-God band wagon or victim band wagon mentality.


who's been the "victim" in this thread?
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I wonder how many victims of sexual abuse have been saved by their predators piety.
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how convenient,
so we blame everything on nature, differrent shades of gray in our brain matter, and we're powerless to master our sexual drives like animals, and/or were all victims of circumstance or environment or whatever.

i'm not convinced, sorry no sale.
i will take God's word over man's developing theories.

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How convenient, that you can twist and turn God's word so easily.

If you are one who believes the Bible wasn't written by mere humans, who had their own biases that inadvertantly enters into their description of morals.

If you are one who ignores any other views of the Bible as something "you don't agree with" without any actual inconsistencies to point out.
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some have tried i suppose, only adding to their aggravation, while others having attempted to assauge their misery finding no success and then jumping onto the anti-God band wagon or victim band wagon mentality.

My thought is God wouldn't give us any burden that we couldn't master if we sought his help through humility and being humble.

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So now you're being the convienient one and twisting words?

At least you're consistent...
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some have tried i suppose, only adding to their aggravation, while others having attempted to assauge their misery finding no success and then jumping onto the anti-God band wagon or victim band wagon mentality.

My thought is God wouldn't give us any burden that we couldn't master if we sought his help through humility and being humble.

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I am not entirely convinced that I am living in a state of perpetually depressed depravity, in fact I think that I am doing quite well. I don't rape women, don't abuse children and somehow I manage to not try and autofellate myself and am yet to have any feeling other than revulsion at the prospect of any mans John Thomas being near my mouth (im sorry, I was just born that way, I blame my biology)

An infidel being able to lead a productive and exemplary life is exactly the sort of exception that disproves the contentions of the faithful, now I am probably disqualified from any religious standard through minor issues (I am quite in favour of sex, mind altering drugs etc.) but neither my utter lack of attraction towards faith or my reaction against the mindlessness of many faithful are personal failings in my mind.
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My thought is God wouldn't give us any burden that we couldn't master if we sought his help through humility and being humble.
and that's why God gave us placentas.
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Well, that's my opinion and I might not have the right to say anything since i have not had a child, but it's not more stupid that a man trying to say ANYTHING about childbirth ... especially since my sentiments are of love and beauty. By the way, I may me optimistic, but I am not naive. I get this all the time from my dad, but my opinions are not going to change because of horror stories or bitchy people telling me that I am too young or not experienced enough to understand. Trying to scare me away from having a baby ? No problem. I am not even sure I want kids in the first place .
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