Ingesting one's placenta, acceptable or not?

[diamond]

Originally posted by maycocksean
Diamond.

Surely you can't be serious.

Look, man, we ALL agree that it's gross! No one's arguing that point, but you're making a very clear statement that this is morally wrong (as evidence by your comaprisons to heroin use, autofellatio, and now pedophilia).

I just want to know, based on WHAT?

I think sin dresses herself in many ways:
Self absorption, pleasing oneself through addictions or other earthbound tendencies that are unholy in the sight of God, and those addictions or earthbound proclivities would be:

illegal drug use
carnal lust whether it be homosexual, illicit heterosexual lusts, bestiality or pedophilia
consumption of human body parts that are not proven to be *conclusively* medically beneficial, only psychosomatic at best.

All of these are about earth bound tendencies and not spiritually driven tendencies; these tendencies listed are all about pleasing one's self and not glorifying the person who created us.

This is my view and I stand by it, knowing many may disagree here, but I feel my conscience is void of offense to God and I would rather be found favorable in the eyes of God, than popular opinion on a message board.

Best,

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Oh, so now science suddenly matters. Suddenly you CAN pull that card out. Because science hasn't proven that it's medically beneficial, it's immoral.

But when science explains that people are born homosexual, and it is not a choice, then science CANNOT be pulled out.

Give me a break. The contradictions are unbelievable.

[diamond]

Science is inconclusive about homosexual attraction.

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Wrong. Science does not know which specific genes cause homosexuality.

But they know that it's not a choice. It is biological.

[diamond]

Originally posted by phillyfan26
Wrong. Science does not know which specific genes cause homosexuality.

But they know that it's not a choice. It is biological.

Some think it's biological but not all.

Not all scientists believe this conclusively despite a concerted effort to market it as such.


dbs

[maycocksean]

Originally posted by diamond



consumption of human body parts that are not proven to be *conclusively* medically beneficial, only psychosomatic at best.

What's the basis for deciding this is part of an "earthbound mentality" (excluding any consumption that involves either physically harming the person i.e. cannibalism or that poses a legitimate health risk i.e. eating your own crap)? We're talking boogers and placents here. What's your basis for making this a moral stand, beyond a general kind "if it's gross, it must be wrong" which I concede has it's own kind of surface logic (a logic that disintegrates quickly on close examination however)?

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond



Some think it's biological but not all.

Not all scientists believe this conclusively despite a concerted effort to market it as such.


dbs

Oh, I forgot that it's black-and-white with you.

So, you think Irvine lies to you when he tells you that it's not a choice?

[diamond]

Originally posted by maycocksean


What's the basis for deciding this is part of an "earthbound mentality" (excluding any consumption that involves either physically harming the person i.e. cannibalism or that poses a legitimate health risk i.e. eating your own crap)? We're talking boogers and placents here. What's your basis for making this a moral stand, beyond a general kind "if it's gross, it must be wrong" which I concede has it's own kind of surface logic (a logic that disintegrates quickly on close examination however)?

1 Cor 6 19-20

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

[diamond]

Originally posted by phillyfan26


Oh, I forgot that it's black-and-white with you.

So, you think Irvine lies to you when he tells you that it's not a choice?

Irvine and Melon have their opinions and I have mine.

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond


Irvine and Melon have their opinions and I have mine.

dbs

Do you not believe in analyzing context when it comes to Biblical scripture?

[diamond]

Originally posted by phillyfan26


Do you not believe in analyzing context when it comes to Biblical scripture?

Sure and I do not accept Melon's interpretation.

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond


Sure and I do not accept Melon's interpretation.

dbs

I can honestly say I've never seen a counter-argument to his interpretation other than, "I'm sticking to my interpretation," which doesn't address his. Have you found something incorrect with his?

[maycocksean]

Originally posted by diamond


1 Cor 6 19-20

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Matthew 15:10, 15-16

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " . . . .



15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

It seems reasonable to concludeboogers and placenta would falling to the category of "unwashed hands." And eating without washing your hands is pretty gross too!

[bonocrazy88]

Gosh the Bible is rife with subjects for interpretation and each individual has his or her own belief about the meaning of each and every verse. I personally am on the fence about religion, mostly Christianity, but I can definitely respect someone who holds true beliefs in his/her heart. I only have a problem when it comes to trying to persecute someone else's beliefs (not that it's the case here...just saying in general.)

As for eating one's placenta, religion or not, I say if it floats your boat, go for it. I am not sure what I would do, but I cannot speak for someone who genuinely believes it would be a beneficial act. It's almost like symbolically, certain things have better healing powers than anything. Whether the placenta is to heal or not is irrelevant. It's the fact that it comes from a woman's own body and it is in fact part of her own body.

I understand the 'gross' factor, although it personally doesn't gross me out, because I do not see life and the remnants of childbirth and life as anything disgusting. But certain people don't understand the beauty and sacrifice of carrying a child for 9 months, creating a tiny world within a woman, complete with everything needed for a human life to sustain itself, and then the pain and beauty of giving that child life. It's an absolutely humbling thought. And even though I have never gone through it, I have nothing but awe for childbirth.

[fly so high!]

Originally posted by Sloane Peterson


But certain people don't understand the beauty and sacrifice of carrying a child for 9 months, creating a tiny world within a woman, complete with everything needed for a human life to sustain itself, and then the pain and beauty of giving that child life. It's an absolutely humbling thought. And even though I have never gone through it, I have nothing but awe for childbirth.

That's why you have that La-la- ideal of pregnancy and childbirth....you have not gone through it.....come back and post here PLEASE! when you have given birth and tell me again all the stuff you just said here and then i want you to go eat your placenta! Or Swallow the pill...if you dare....I mean shit....has anyone actually thought that the idea of maybe ingesting somebody else's placenta nutrients also wants to make you heave, I'm curious to know how this pill thing would work, i dunno....can the chemist guarantee that it is your placenta and not some "Roadkill" from a highway!

Personally i think there would be legal repercussions.....I mean this might be opening Pandora's Box.......the child when he/she becomes of legal age may sue for the right of eating the placenta/pill that her mother denied her.......is it the childs or the mother's....technically who OWNS the placenta!

[BVS]

Originally posted by diamond


but I feel my conscience is void of offense to God and I would rather be found favorable in the eyes of God, than popular opinion on a message board.

I find your conscience often in offense to God and his children.

[bonocrazy88]

Originally posted by fly so high!


That's why you have that La-la- ideal of pregnancy and childbirth....you have not gone through it.....come back and post here PLEASE! when you have given birth and tell me again all the stuff you just said here and then i want you to go eat your placenta! Or Swallow the pill...if you dare....I mean shit....has anyone actually thought that the idea of maybe ingesting somebody else's placenta nutrients also wants to make you heave, I'm curious to know how this pill thing would work, i dunno....can the chemist guarantee that it is your placenta and not some "Roadkill" from a highway!

Personally i think there would be legal repercussions.....I mean this might be opening Pandora's Box.......the child when he/she becomes of legal age may sue for the right of eating the placenta/pill that her mother denied her.......is it the childs or the mother's....technically who OWNS the placenta!

Well, that's my opinion and I might not have the right to say anything since i have not had a child, but it's not more stupid that a man trying to say ANYTHING about childbirth ... especially since my sentiments are of love and beauty. By the way, I may me optimistic, but I am not naive. I get this all the time from my dad, but my opinions are not going to change because of horror stories or bitchy people telling me that I am too young or not experienced enough to understand. Trying to scare me away from having a baby ? No problem. I am not even sure I want kids in the first place .

[unico]

i still don't see what the abomination is. diamond what i see is that you're using quotes from the bible to justify how icky it is. but there is no abomination here. the human body is quite fascinating. we have our own natural defensive mechanisms, there's still so much to learn about it. i believe that we can help our bodies help itself naturally and hollistically.

this isn't waste, like poo or piss or snot or anything. this is an organ that is created for the purpose of providing nutrients. it is more natural perhaps than many of the the OTC drugs you get at the store.

obviously you believe that organ develops during child development for a reason? God intended for that organ to grow and provide sustaining nutrients. If it is cool for the baby to "eat" from it, then why not the mother?

instead of relating it to all this crap that is in no way relevant, why can you not relate it to the milk that a mother produces? it also provides necessary nutrients. you don't see that as waste, do you? if a mother drinks her own breastmilk is that an abomination?

imagine a mother swallowing a placenta pill down with a class of fresh just pumped milk.

[Irvine511]

oy, this thread ...

[diamond]

Originally posted by unico
i still don't see what the abomination is.

Who said it was an abomination?