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Old 06-01-2006, 03:12 PM   #1
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=( Inferencers, don't bother visiting NYC...Chertoff sez we have NO National ICONS!



Homeland Security boss Chertoff....report listings for National Mounuments & Icons: NYC - 0 .

Plus they CUT NYC's Security Dollars by $40 MILLION !!!




So "don't bother " coming here Intrf'ers because there's NOTHING to SEE !

A bunch of other places got increases AND WASHINGTON DC also Got $ Cuts! {I Love visiting DC & the national Museums and the Mall etc}
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Ah yes, the regular arguments over the Department of Homeland Security handouts.
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Handouts?

God forbid the next attack happens, I wonder what they'll say then.
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DC and NYC will never vote Republican anyway, so why bother buying their votes?
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More money went to "blue" cities like LA and SF in the latest round. The gross political motive seems absent.
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God forbid the next attack happens, I wonder what they'll say then.
Let me guess..... complain?!?!?

It is a political lose-lose - if any attack actually occurs, it doesn't matter how much money you flooded into an area - it wasn't enough.
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if any attack actually occurs, it doesn't matter how much money you flooded into an area - it wasn't enough.
Yes well no amount of money will ultimately prevent an attack when people are determined to carry one out, but it can certainly go a long way toward the possibility of prevention and toward the security that is needed on a daily basis. How can anyone argue that cutting it doesn't hurt? I don't know the details of this cutting but that just seems like common sense to me.
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More money went to "blue" cities like LA and SF in the latest round. The gross political motive seems absent.

do you think it was because they're much more likely to be attacked than Cheyenne, WY?
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Yes well no amount of money will ultimately prevent an attack when people are determined to carry one out, but it can certainly go a long way toward the possibility of prevention and toward the security that is needed on a daily basis. How can anyone argue that cutting it doesn't hurt? I don't know the details of this cutting but that just seems like common sense to me.

There is one pot of money and lots of hands reaching in. NYC and DC got big shares for previous disbursements. Now, money got shifted to California. Numerous municipalities make their claims for money.

I guess it is the entitlement mentality that gets me - as if any reduction from a prior grant level is deemed a cut.
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Old 06-01-2006, 05:06 PM   #10
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Conservative Orange County also got the money cut. Of course, there really isn't much here.


Am I the only one who'd rather have all of this money going towards something else entirely?
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I'm confused, I don't know why they cut NYC's funding since that's where the big attack took place.
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This is idiocy.

NYC still got the largest share of the money.
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So it's idiocy now?



Righto.
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This is idiocy.

NYC still got the largest share of the money.
I should have read the article before I made a comment. Sorry!
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This is idiocy.

NYC still got the largest share of the money.
That's not the point. NYC is of course going to get more money then Omaha, NE because it is so so much bigger.

The PROBLEM is they cut the funding by so much. There's your "idiocy." At least they could have given the same amount as last year, instead of sending us a big ole FU.

Why even it cut it at all!!????
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By Boston Herald editorial staff
Friday, June 2, 2006

"Does the Department of Homeland Security know something about terrorist threats to Fort Lauderdale, Fla; Louisville, Ky., and Memphis that average citizens don’t? Or are our federal tax dollars being spent to make the world a safer place for wet T-shirt contests for spring breakers, horse racing fans and Elvis devotees?
Yep, the figures are now in and Homeland Security grants are up for those three potential hotbeds of terrorism, by as much as 41 percent in the case of Louisville, home to the Kentucky Derby.
Meanwhile New York City’s grants are down by 40 percent and grants to the Boston area are off 30 percent from last year.
Of course, before we bemoan this as a catastrophe waiting to happen, let’s also acknowledge the obvious waste in the program - that little fleet of watercraft being acquired by the otherwise landlocked sheriff of Middlesex County comes immediately to mind.
And New York City was also in the habit of using large amounts of its grant money to fund police overtime, a recurring expense that Homeland Security officials already warned they would not look upon with favor.
Still, it’s surely no coincidence that Memphis (which got $4 million) is in the home state of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and Louisville ($9 million) is home to Rep. Hal Rogers, chair of the subcommittee on Homeland Security appropriations.
Homeland Security officials insist Fort Lauderdale and Orlando are up for substantial increases because they are tourist destinations. Memphis made the list because of the cargo passing through it. But Omaha (up 38 percent)?
Sad to say, Homeland Security grants have become just another kind of pork in too many places (and, yes, that includes some in our own back yard). But who knew the department itself would get so good at playing that game too?"
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That's not the point. NYC is of course going to get more money then Omaha, NE because it is so so much bigger.

The PROBLEM is they cut the funding by so much. There's your "idiocy." At least they could have given the same amount as last year, instead of sending us a big ole FU.

Why even it cut it at all!!????
These are grants, not sources of perpetual income. The money is intended for capital items, equipment and supplies.

NYC got the first and largest chunk of the pie. They still get the largest chunk.

The response we get is entitlement mentality.
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The response we get is entitlement mentality.


you mean the fact that because i live in Washington DC, i feel entitled to have more money spent on my city for terrorist protection than someone who lives in Omaha, NE and then to get a little bit worried when i see that money cut from a city that already has priorities way out of whack ($250 million on a freakin' baseball stadium when RFK works just fine, than you)?

yes, i feel quite well entitled to that.
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These are grants, not sources of perpetual income. The money is intended for capital items, equipment and supplies.

NYC got the first and largest chunk of the pie. They still get the largest chunk.

The response we get is entitlement mentality.
That still does not explain WHY THEY CUT IT.

Is it because the government has less money due to the fact that they cut taxes again so that Joe and Jane Shmo can have 30 extra dollars in their pockets at the end of the year? Or less money because of Iraq? Or less money because....

WHY would you CUT TERROR FUNDING!!!! Why??? So we can have less supplies and LESS Equipment? How is that helpful?
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That still does not explain WHY THEY CUT IT.

Is it because the government has less money due to the fact that they cut taxes again so that Joe and Jane Shmo can have 30 extra dollars in their pockets at the end of the year? Or less money because of Iraq? Or less money because....

WHY would you CUT TERROR FUNDING!!!! Why??? So we can have less supplies and LESS Equipment? How is that helpful?
It is a finite sum of money.

You are suggesting that if any other city gets money, it is after NYC gets the same amount, each year (probably should add some for inflation)!

Oncy you buy your supplies and equipment, it is time to move to the next city so they can get their supplies and equipment.

Why not explain how the $125 Million is not enough. We get plenty of emotional "They cut terror funding" pleas, but little in the way of explaination of why more money is needed.
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