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Old 12-28-2006, 11:24 AM   #1
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In Memory of the 140 people murdered in Oakland so far.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object...0&type=default

I teared up listening to the voices during the slide show of the children who lost there parent(s)

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/bayarea/oaklandhomicides/list
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/bayarea/oa...micides/living



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Alberto Salvador Villarreal Morales

Age: 15 Date of death: 1/15/06 Occupation: Student at Berkeley High Race: Hispanic Weapon used: Handgun

"He hugged me and said, 'OK mom, I love you so much,' (and) he left" — Alberto's mother
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One More Please watch.

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they obviously need to execute some more people in oakland.
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And this is only 1 city.
Last year (2005) the total for the whole of the Netherlands was 202 or so. Still, 202 too many, but it seems it's still relatively save here...

All those lifes terminated.
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Well I am not making this an Execution thread, thank you very much, that was yesterday.
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I blame this on the UN.
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This not a funny MATTER.
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Ugh, you're better off just ignoring people who come in here just to make snide remarks.
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^ Exactly.

It seems a bit hypocritical to sit on the high horse and criticize someone for being pro-capital punishment, and then make jokes about murder victims.

The saddest thing is that number will likely climb between now & New Year's Day
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And this is only 1 city.
Last year (2005) the total for the whole of the Netherlands was 202 or so. Still, 202 too many, but it seems it's still relatively save here...

All those lifes terminated.
and the netherlands have 16.500.000 people. oakland only has 400.000.
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Wasn't Laci Peterson's body found about ten miles or so from there?

Now that was a newsworthy story.

That story was riveting.

Something us Americans could relate to.

That Peterson guy could have been our husband, son-in-law, or brother-in-law.
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The last year I could quickly find for the whole of Australia was 2004, and we (population 20,000,000) had 'only' 300 murders across the whole country.
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We're Number One! USA! USA! USA!
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Wasn't Laci Peterson's body found about ten miles or so from there?

Now that was a newsworthy story.

That story was riveting.

Something us Americans could relate to.

That Peterson guy could have been our husband, son-in-law, or brother-in-law.
It was actually Richmond not Oakland were she was found.
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The last year I could quickly find for the whole of Australia was 2004, and we (population 20,000,000) had 'only' 300 murders across the whole country.
I find that 300 figure disturbing enough.

This is hard for me to comprehend. Australia, 20,000,000 people, 300 murders. The Netherlands, 16,500,000 people, 202 murders. Oakland, 400,000 people, 140+ murders. WTF? Why?

I know I'm not asking anything original, but I don't think I've ever seen a really good explanation for this kind of disparity. Anybody got one?
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We Yanks are just more violent. Not sure why though. I'd bet the vast majority of our murders are committed with guns, are guns as common and accessible in Oz & Holland as they are here? I'd guess it's a combination of population density (US cities w/hight murder rates tend to be the more densely populated ones), ready availability of guns, and our violent nature.
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Most murders in Oakland are gang/drug-trafficking related--not sure if that constitutes any sort of explanation or not. They've ranked very high on the national violent crime listings for quite awhile now. As if often the case with US cities with high homicide rates, the overwhelming majority of the murders occurred in specific, highly localized areas. I'm not sure what the rates of gang activity in the Netherlands or Australia are like.
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1/70,000 people are murdered in Australia.
Netherlands is roughly 1/83,000.
Oakland is a shade under 1/3000.
The US overall clocks in at 1/18,000.

I don't know about the Netherlands, but Australia has tough gun laws and no death penalty.
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Originally posted by yolland
Most murders in Oakland are gang/drug-trafficking related--not sure if that constitutes any sort of explanation or not. They've ranked very high on the national violent crime listings for quite awhile now. As if often the case with US cities with high homicide rates, the overwhelming majority of the murders occurred in specific, highly localized areas. I'm not sure what the rates of gang activity in the Netherlands or Australia are like.
Yes but there are innocent people who get killed too.
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Most murders in Oakland are gang/drug-trafficking related--not sure if that constitutes any sort of explanation or not. They've ranked very high on the national violent crime listings for quite awhile now. As if often the case with US cities with high homicide rates, the overwhelming majority of the murders occurred in specific, highly localized areas. I'm not sure what the rates of gang activity in the Netherlands or Australia are like.
all good points

like I was saying
is this newsworthy?

It is not like what happened to Laci Peterson
or the pretty little blond girl
that took a vacation and disappeared

those incidents could have happened to one of us
or one of our loved ones.
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