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Old 09-15-2007, 04:05 PM   #261
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But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
Your couple of quotes aren't enough to make a huge statement like that.
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But the Democrats sent them there just as much as the Republicans.
BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
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BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
I don't see why President Al Gore wouldn't have.
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BS. So you're saying that the Democrats would've sent our troops into war without the Republican pressure, propaganda and outright lies?
I have already demonstrated that if the WMD question was propaganda and a lie - then leaders of both parties have been deceiving everyone since 1998.

The truth is, the war was only possible with the Democrats' vote:



House and Senate Approves Iraq War Resolution
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But, AEON, do you still not see the jump you have to make from what the Democrats suggested to a war?
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House and Senate Approves Iraq War Resolution
77-23 and 296-133 as "America speaking with one voice?"

Kucinich opposed it. Obama opposed it (though not yet in Congress).
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But, AEON, do you still not see the jump you have to make from what the Democrats suggested to a war?

Not at all. Here is a quote from Nancy Pelosi, who is now Speaker fo the House (not a small time position), during the leadup to war.
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"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

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Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
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77-23 and 296-133 as "America speaking with one voice?"

Kucinich opposed it. Obama opposed it (though not yet in Congress).
You forgot this part of the article:

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The measure passed the Senate and House by wider margins than the 1991 resolution that empowered the current president's father to go to war to expel Iraq from Kuwait. That measure passed 250-183 in the House and 52-47 in the Senate
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous. The climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us. There was this, support the government or be labelled a traitor ala the Dixie Chicks viewpoint after 911. It is certain that the Democrats showed no political backbone but they have always and continue to show no political backbone during the past 7 years. But to believe that the Democrats are responsible for the events in Iraq is laughable.
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous. The climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us. There was this, support the government or be labelled a traitor ala the Dixie Chicks viewpoint after 911. It is certain that the Democrats showed no political backbone but they have always and continue to show no political backbone during the past 7 years. But to believe that the Democrats are responsible for the events in Iraq is laughable.
This goes back well before September 11, the justification for Clinton bombing Iraq was WMD and the maintainence of sanctions goes back to it as well, acknowledging the failures of the intelligence services and the politicians demands going back before Bush.
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This whole discussion of quotes is ridiculous.
Is it not important know what our leaders were saying from 1998-2003? Especially since their words are what stoked the "war fever?"
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climate in America during that time was, you are with us or against us.
And who was responsible for creating this climate? Certainly Bush can't be made to hold this particular bag alone:

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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001
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You forgot this part of the article:

No, I didn't.

Doesn't relate to my point.
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Is it not important know what our leaders were saying from 1998-2003? Especially since their words are what stoked the "war fever?"
When was war ever mentioned before Bush?
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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001

I always wonder why conservatives in here are always saying Clinton is extreme leftist?
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When was war ever mentioned before Bush?
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"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
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Talking about keeping on top of Saddam is a far cry from actually launching a preemptive attack against him.
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Note the mentions of the United Nations, again.
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This is why I said read before you post, I'll say it again:

When was W-A-R ever mentioned before Bush?
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Talking about keeping on top of Saddam is a far cry from actually launching a preemptive attack against him.
Well, it seems some Dems certainly think that preemptively disarming Sadam was a pretty important thing to do:


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"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."

Senator Edward Kennedy (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Speech at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
September 27, 2002


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"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
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"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him."

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
During a Democratic Primary Debate at the University of South Carolina
May 3, 2003
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