Gickies Gageeze
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what sort of example would this display?
does it essentially make the un useless?
does it essentially make the un useless?
Gickies Gageeze said:what sort of example would this display?
does it essentially make the un useless?
Beefeater said:
Bush and Co. have just proposed a new resolution.. I have no reason to believe that it will not be passed, however, regardless of if it is passed or not.. The UN has already given the OK for Military intervention in past resolutions.
Beefeater
Dreadsox said:Or click the link below with the New York Bar Associations letter to the President below.
Dreadsox said:Sting,
NOwhere can you show in the resolution where the council gives this power to the UNITED STATES to determine the consequences. For the UNITED STATES to do this without another resolution is a violation of the UN CHARTER.
Again you say it is for "POLITICAL REASONS". The political reason is an invasion without Security Council approval is politically dangerous and sets a PRECIDENT for other nations to do the same and choose to ignore the Security Council.
STING2 said:Dreadsox,
There is nothing in 1441 that states that member states do NOT have the right to use military action. If it does, can you show me where? What do you think "Serious Consequences" mean, if not military action? Please be specific. I still feel the Security Council authorization given in 678, reafirmed in 687 and again in 1441, is all the legal bases the US or any member state needs for military action against Iraq IF it is in military breach of any of its obligations. Its been the legal bases for past military action against Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War.
Do you consider KOSOVO a violation of the UN Charter?
"The political reason is an invasion without Security Council approval is politically dangerous and sets a PRECIDENT for other nations to do the same and choose to ignore the Security Council."
Do you believe KOSOVO, military action without Security Council approval, was politically dangerous? Did KOSOVO set a precident for other nations to do the same and choose to ignore the Security Council?
Scarletwine said:
We then become a rogue nation in the eyes of the world.
STING2 said:Dreadsox,
This is a thread about the US acting without the UN, so such a debate is very relevant to this thread. Past military action without UN approval such as Kosovo is also relevant.
Gickies Gageeze said:feel free to ruin this thread, ive ruined many myself.